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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:49:14 GMT, Paul Heslop paul.heslop (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Ian Jackson wrote: In message <462D29DD.9F7AA90B (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>, Paul Heslop paul.heslop (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> writes jeffthecdboy (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: I'm looking into getting a DVD recorder, and I have a huge pile of tv- recorded VHS tapes that I'm wanting to transfer to DVD. How much time can normally fit on a basic DVD-R disc? Thanks, Jeff They can take upto eight hours (depending on the recorder) but if you want quality then the shorter the recording the better. very best recording is only about an hour a disc though. Surely, for copying a VHS tape, the 'standard' speed would be more than adequate, giving just over 2 hours? My recorder lists the times (for a 4.7GB DVD) as follows: HQ (High Quality) 1hr SP (Standard Play) 2hr LP (Long Play) 3hr EP (Extended Play) 4hr SLP (Super Long Play) 6hr If your need the extra time, probably LP would degrade VHS very little. Ian. -- Oh yeah, for most stuff it would be fine to run two hours. I was just pointing out that for the very best quality one hour is it. It amazes me when you see adverts, specially in sunday newspapers, for dvd recorders which brag about the 6-8 hour thing as if it records perfectly. Mine's a Panny so I get 1 hour, 2 hour, four hour, six or eight (you can set which to be maximum) and of course the flexible record, which is my favourite for anything running over and under set times. Which model is your Panasonic recorder please ? My E30 on LP mode is so bad that I would never use it but on the EH60 and EX75 I will sometimes use LP mode as its slightly better than VHS mode. 16 hour mode though is a waste of time a sis 8 hour mode onto a 4.7Gb disc. Current is a 75 (without VHS) , which I use mainly in 2 hour mode, |
ES15 and an ES45.
We liked the ES10 a lot and still use it as a second machine. To me it
seemed to handle longer recording better than the more modern machines
but was prone to a slight lag in moving footage. We bought the ES45 to
replace it and our old VHS. Picture quality on the video deck was not
good and the mechanical side was awful, really loud buzzing when
recording or playing. I then realised it was burning rings into discs,
if I recorded two or three programs on one disc it was easy to see
where each recording started. After a few weeks recordings made this
way would sometimes refuse to play on some sections so back it went.
We decided to go simple and got the ES15. Not a bad little machine if
it wasn't for the lack of RGB input. Tried to return it when we found
out about that but the store simply refused a refund, even though they
were well aware of the limitations in that idea. Luckily our son isn't
as fussy as us so he uses that one and we have the 75. Love the hard
disc recording, what a great idea that is for collecting series etc
and my wife likes the idea of me recording stuff for her and editing
out all the adverts before she watches it. But to me the picture does
not seem as crisp as on the old ES10. I have done a couple of three
hour movies or short series on disc and find that in scenes such as
sports crowds it looks quite pixelated. I don't think I would go over
three hours if I could help it.
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How much time depends on the recorder. I've always used 6-hour mode recording to the VHS tapes. When I started with DVD, I recorded them at 6-hour mode. I don't see any difference after recording thousands of hours. However, You should try different modes and determine for yourself which one you like the best. Get a few -RW discs so that you can do a lot of testing at a reasonable cost. They are re-useable. Jack Do you not get blockiness etc when recording at 6 hours? ============================ Recording VHS tapes to DVD disc. Both the tape and the disc look the same to me when playing them. It doesn't necessarily follow that everybody will get the same results on different brands of tape recorders and players, DVD recorders and players and TV's. That's why I suggested that he try it on his equipment to see what he actually gets. I'm not familiar with "blockiness". Can you describe it? Jack -- |
better than others. And I agree it is well worth a try, it's all
personal taste anyway. My won doesn't mind using long record on stuff
as all he is interested in is seeing the program or whatever, not how
crisp it looks or not.
The blockiness I mentioned I have seen on all dvd recorders at some
stage. It's usually a segmenting of the image, like the whole thing
is created in small sections which can be quite visible although the
image within the blocks is reasonable quality. I wonder sometimes
whether I am just over-sensitive to these things. :O)
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Jack Yazel wrote: How much time depends on the recorder. I've always used 6-hour mode recording to the VHS tapes. When I started with DVD, I recorded them at 6-hour mode. I don't see any difference after recording thousands of hours. However, You should try different modes and determine for yourself which one you like the best. Get a few -RW discs so that you can do a lot of testing at a reasonable cost. They are re-useable. Jack Do you not get blockiness etc when recording at 6 hours? ============================ Recording VHS tapes to DVD disc. Both the tape and the disc look the same to me when playing them. It doesn't necessarily follow that everybody will get the same results on different brands of tape recorders and players, DVD recorders and players and TV's. That's why I suggested that he try it on his equipment to see what he actually gets. I'm not familiar with "blockiness". Can you describe it? Jack -- Oh yes, Jack, you're right that all machines differ and some are far better than others. And I agree it is well worth a try, it's all personal taste anyway. My won doesn't mind using long record on stuff as all he is interested in is seeing the program or whatever, not how crisp it looks or not. The blockiness I mentioned I have seen on all dvd recorders at some stage. It's usually a segmenting of the image, like the whole thing is created in small sections which can be quite visible although the image within the blocks is reasonable quality. I wonder sometimes whether I am just over-sensitive to these things. :O) |
like VCD or SVCD quality as the lines are only 250. The latest
Panasonics will do 500 lines right up to LP for 4 hours.
I've recorded video off Foxtel or free to air and a 4 hour video comes
out quite good, not as good as SP but no blockyness.
Blockyness can also come from a digital set top box from time to time.
Nothing much you can do about that. A recorder will only record well
as long as the signal its receiving is good. Take Foxtel which I'm on
via Satellite as where I am there is no cable service, on stormy
nights the reception gets blocky and distorted.
My EH60 recorder does a better recording than the later EX75 with its
inbuilt digital tuner. The EH60 made in Japan and the EX75 made in
China. The EX75 is a lot more quiet when recording than the EH60 and
with its digital tuner I can set the timer to record different digital
stations.
It must bve said though that the EX75 digital tuner isn't as good as a
separate digital set top box on my system and I know a fair few others
have found the same.
SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
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Email Contact info on the above site.
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"SalesMart.com.au" wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:49:14 GMT, Paul Heslop paul.heslop (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Ian Jackson wrote: In message <462D29DD.9F7AA90B (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>, Paul Heslop paul.heslop (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> writes jeffthecdboy (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: I'm looking into getting a DVD recorder, and I have a huge pile of tv- recorded VHS tapes that I'm wanting to transfer to DVD. How much time can normally fit on a basic DVD-R disc? Thanks, Jeff They can take upto eight hours (depending on the recorder) but if you want quality then the shorter the recording the better. very best recording is only about an hour a disc though. Surely, for copying a VHS tape, the 'standard' speed would be more than adequate, giving just over 2 hours? My recorder lists the times (for a 4.7GB DVD) as follows: HQ (High Quality) 1hr SP (Standard Play) 2hr LP (Long Play) 3hr EP (Extended Play) 4hr SLP (Super Long Play) 6hr If your need the extra time, probably LP would degrade VHS very little. Ian. -- Oh yeah, for most stuff it would be fine to run two hours. I was just pointing out that for the very best quality one hour is it. It amazes me when you see adverts, specially in sunday newspapers, for dvd recorders which brag about the 6-8 hour thing as if it records perfectly. Mine's a Panny so I get 1 hour, 2 hour, four hour, six or eight (you can set which to be maximum) and of course the flexible record, which is my favourite for anything running over and under set times. Which model is your Panasonic recorder please ? My E30 on LP mode is so bad that I would never use it but on the EH60 and EX75 I will sometimes use LP mode as its slightly better than VHS mode. 16 hour mode though is a waste of time a sis 8 hour mode onto a 4.7Gb disc. Current is a 75 (without VHS) , which I use mainly in 2 hour mode, including hard disc. First machine was an ES10 and I have tried an ES15 and an ES45. |
in Australia.
In Japan and some other countries there is the Panasonic XW30 with its
400Gb hard drive and the Panasonic XW50 with its 500Gb hard drive
where it can record two digital channels at the same time.
Pioneer has the 940HX which looks an awesome unit with its massive
500Gb hard drive and an eSATA ext hard drive port for adding extra
hard drives via external connections.
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We liked the ES10 a lot and still use it as a second machine. To me it seemed to handle longer recording better than the more modern machines but was prone to a slight lag in moving footage. We bought the ES45 to replace it and our old VHS. Picture quality on the video deck was not good and the mechanical side was awful, really loud buzzing when recording or playing. I then realised it was burning rings into discs, if I recorded two or three programs on one disc it was easy to see where each recording started. After a few weeks recordings made this way would sometimes refuse to play on some sections so back it went. We decided to go simple and got the ES15. Not a bad little machine if it wasn't for the lack of RGB input. Tried to return it when we found out about that but the store simply refused a refund, even though they were well aware of the limitations in that idea. Luckily our son isn't as fussy as us so he uses that one and we have the 75. Love the hard disc recording, what a great idea that is for collecting series etc and my wife likes the idea of me recording stuff for her and editing out all the adverts before she watches it. But to me the picture does not seem as crisp as on the old ES10. I have done a couple of three hour movies or short series on disc and find that in scenes such as sports crowds it looks quite pixelated. I don't think I would go over three hours if I could help it. |
were $1700 retail and the hard drive models were a lot more expensive
down here in Australia. Now the EX75 are about $700 AUS and
affordable.
I moved to the EH60 a couple of years ago and then to the EH55 and
last year to the EX75. I wouldn't buy one without a hard drive now.
The ability to set the chapter points where you want and edit out the
ads is so much easier than doing it through the PC.
I take it you are using flexible record mode.
If you hav ethe new one with hard drive make sure you set it up for
high speed dubbing in the options of the recorder otherwise it will
only dub back in real time.
SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
*******************************************
Email Contact info on the above site.
*******************************************
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Current is a 75 (without VHS) , which I use mainly in 2 hour mode, including hard disc. First machine was an ES10 and I have tried an ES15 and an ES45. I take it your posting from the US as the ES45 was never released here in Australia. UK actually, and I may be wrong about the exact model number too, I'm |
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In Japan and some other countries there is the Panasonic XW30 with its 400Gb hard drive and the Panasonic XW50 with its 500Gb hard drive where it can record two digital channels at the same time. Wow, now it would be nice to have that second model with the twin |
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Pioneer has the 940HX which looks an awesome unit with its massive 500Gb hard drive and an eSATA ext hard drive port for adding extra hard drives via external connections. |
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My E30 has no hard drive, back when I bought it in April of 2003 they were $1700 retail and the hard drive models were a lot more expensive down here in Australia. Now the EX75 are about $700 AUS and affordable. |
Australia, what is it, about three dollars to a £? The hard drive
models are expensive here too, though if you have the cash you can
grab a bargain off the net, save about a quarter price sometimes.
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I moved to the EH60 a couple of years ago and then to the EH55 and last year to the EX75. I wouldn't buy one without a hard drive now. The ability to set the chapter points where you want and edit out the ads is so much easier than doing it through the PC. |
was a revelation. I still have a bit of learning on that side but it's
cool and there's some satisfaction in getting a 2 hour program down
to one and a half hours with no obvious joins.
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I take it you are using flexible record mode. |
opener that was :O)
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If you hav ethe new one with hard drive make sure you set it up for high speed dubbing in the options of the recorder otherwise it will only dub back in real time. |
hour programs for my grandkids and it took me three hours to transfer
them.
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http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:14:51 GMT, Paul Heslop paul.heslop (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Jack Yazel wrote: How much time depends on the recorder. I've always used 6-hour mode recording to the VHS tapes. When I started with DVD, I recorded them at 6-hour mode. I don'tsee any difference after recording thousands of hours. However, You should try different modes and determine for yourself which one you like the best. Get a few -RW discs so that you can do a lot of testing at a reasonable cost. They are re-useable. Jack Do you not get blockiness etc when recording at 6 hours? ============================ Recording VHS tapes to DVD disc. Both the tape and the disc look the same to me when playing them. It doesn't necessarily follow that everybody will get the same results on different brands of tape recorders and players, DVD recorders and players and TV's. That's why I suggested that he try it on his equipment to see whathe actually gets. I'm not familiar with "blockiness". Can you describe it? Jack -- Oh yes, Jack, you're right that all machines differ and some are far better than others. And I agree it is well worth a try, it's all personal taste anyway. My won doesn't mind using long record on stuff as all he is interested in is seeing the program or whatever, not how crisp it looks or not. The blockiness I mentioned I have seen on all dvd recorders at some stage. It's usually a segmenting of the image, like the whole thing is created in small sections which can be quite visible although the image within the blocks is reasonable quality. I wonder sometimes whether I am just over-sensitive to these things. :O) Blockyness happens in the greater than 4 hour on these recorders. Its like VCD or SVCD quality as the lines are only 250. The latest Panasonics will do 500 lines right up to LP for 4 hours. I've recorded video off Foxtel or free to air and a 4 hour video comes out quite good, not as good as SP but no blockyness. I think I noticed it more when my son asked me to record two of the |
but odd sections had obvious defects.
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Blockyness can also come from a digital set top box from time to time. Nothing much you can do about that. A recorder will only record well as long as the signal its receiving is good. Take Foxtel which I'm on via Satellite as where I am there is no cable service, on stormy nights the reception gets blocky and distorted. |
of signal. Recording to HD from them can sometimes give you blank
spaces due to signal condition. Since Sky did their recent shuffle of
movie channels though even they seem to have downgraded a little,
which is a shame.
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My EH60 recorder does a better recording than the later EX75 with its inbuilt digital tuner. The EH60 made in Japan and the EX75 made in China. The EX75 is a lot more quiet when recording than the EH60 and with its digital tuner I can set the timer to record different digital stations. Yeah, the 75 has some great points but I had read a lot of reviews |
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It must bve said though that the EX75 digital tuner isn't as good as a separate digital set top box on my system and I know a fair few others have found the same. I agree entirely. I have had to reboot this machine a few times as the |
standalone digital receiver was about £20 and has never done that.
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Do you not get blockiness etc when recording at 6 hours? ============================ I'm not familiar with "blockiness". Can you describe it? Jack Oh yes, Jack, you're right that all machines differ and some are far better than others. And I agree it is well worth a try, it's all personal taste anyway. My won doesn't mind using long record on stuff as all he is interested in is seeing the program or whatever, not how crisp it looks or not. The blockiness I mentioned I have seen on all dvd recorders at some stage. It's usually a segmenting of the image, like the whole thing is created in small sections which can be quite visible although the image within the blocks is reasonable quality. I wonder sometimes whether I am just over-sensitive to these things. :O) =========================== |
I don't have that problem (thank goodness).
Thanks for the info.
Jack
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I don't have that problem (thank goodness). Thanks for the info. Jack :O) Lucky devil |
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"SalesMart.com.au" wrote: Current is a 75 (without VHS) , which I use mainly in 2 hour mode, including hard disc. First machine was an ES10 and I have tried an ES15 and an ES45. = I take it your posting from the US as the ES45 was never released here in Australia. = UK actually, and I may be wrong about the exact model number too, I'm pretty bad at remembering all those little ES etc. In Japan and some other countries there is the Panasonic XW30 with its 400Gb hard drive and the Panasonic XW50 with its 500Gb hard drive where it can record two digital channels at the same time. = Wow, now it would be nice to have that second model with the twin tuner! Pioneer has the 940HX which looks an awesome unit with its massive 500Gb hard drive and an eSATA ext hard drive port for adding extra hard drives via external connections. brilliant! |
Go to this site and in the middle of the pag eyou can download a small
12Mb video of what this new Pioneer recorder can do. It even has USB
ports.
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products...X-S/index.html
Left click on the link for the video ----
Watch a demo video of the DVR-940HX-S
The Pioneer 940HX is the larger 500Gb model.
There is a cheaper 160Gb model which is likely to be about a third the
price of its larger brother.
SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
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Email Contact info on the above site.
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My EH60 recorder does a better recording than the later EX75 with its inbuilt digital tuner. The EH60 made in Japan and the EX75 made in China. The EX75 is a lot more quiet when recording than the EH60 and with its digital tuner I can set the timer to record different digital stations. = Yeah, the 75 has some great points but I had read a lot of reviews which made it sound perfect, so i was a little disappointed. It must bve said though that the EX75 digital tuner isn't as good as a separate digital set top box on my system and I know a fair few others have found the same. = I agree entirely. I have had to reboot this machine a few times as the digital text etc stops working, even after a recent software fix. Our standalone digital receiver was about =A320 and has never done that. |
boost the performance of the EX75 tuner. I have the Humax via AV4 so I
can always go to that channel and do as before to use that digital
tuner but I have noticed the EX75 tuner reception is better when the
Humax is connected using the EX75 digital tuner. The aerial goes
through the Humax and then into the EX75.
You can try that if you like. That way whn the EX75 digital tuner
isn't working as well as it should go back to AV4 and use your old set
top box to record.
I notice the EX75 has artifacts around moving objects where my Humax
doesn't.
Hoping thart the new Pioneer 940HX has a half decent digital tuner in
them as I would sell my Panasonics to get one.
SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
*******************************************
Email Contact info on the above site.
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