On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:58:29 GMT, "peter" <peter (AT) aust (DOT) com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

So Usenet, by your definition, is spam free? LOL.

Either you are a troll or a shameless sycophant.

Nonsense. Using COMM or NEWS in your header does not entitle you to
continually post self-indulgent rubbish, it only makes it easier for
others to filter it out. In any case, identifying it as SPAM would be
less dishonest.

I have been around Usenet for over 10 years. Unlike SalesMart, I
understand and respect netiquette.

I'd rather choose from over a dozen face-to-face stallholders, most of
whom have bricks-and-mortar shops, than take my chances with a
faceless Internet spammer.

True, but it's also where the same honest, hardworking, Mum and Dad
businesses turn up year after year.

Of course there are no pirates on the Internet.

It isn't an ad, and there is nothing to learn.

- Franc Zabkar
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On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:53:43 GMT, "peter" <peter (AT) aust (DOT) com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

I suggest you acquaint yourself with "netiquette".

There are groups that allow commercial posts, eg "forsale" groups, but
the vast majority, including the three crossposted groups, do not.

This is the charter for rec.video.dvd.tech:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.v...fce0afa?hl=en&

"The posting of advertisements, money-making schemes, and other 'spam'
is not allowed, even if such material is related to DVD and/or
DVD-Video."

This is the charter for alt.video.dvdr:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.v...b7cc407?hl=en&

"Flame-wars, flooding, spam or any kind of advertising and other
off-topic material is not be allowed."

This is the charter for alt.video.dvd.tech:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.v...3cfbdc4?hl=en&

-Posters are expected to follow proper Netiquette.
-Posters are expected to respect the other posters.
-Spam, flames, and personal attacks are discouraged.

True, but we shouldn't have to put up with this rubbish in the first
place.

That link appears to be dead. In any case I am unable to find any
record of any charter for aus.dvd.

I know.

No it isn't, and I did not.

- Franc Zabkar
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Franc Zabkar <fzabkar (AT) iinternode (DOT) on.net> wrote in
news:bgcl33to9hc7q7149pca5mri40s6sp2p0a (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

Yes.

<I snipped everything else>

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Gene E. Bloch (Gino) ... letters617blochg3251
(replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")

On Fri, 04 May 2007 02:47:47 GMT, sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site
(SalesMart.com.au) put finger to keyboard and composed:

No, *these* groups specifically prohibit advertising and spam. Read
their charters, if you really care.

I shouldn't have to do anything of the sort. Usenet is not your
billboard. No amount of philanthropy can ever earn you the right to
spam.

- Franc Zabkar
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On Fri, 04 May 2007 16:43:39 +1000, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar (AT) iinternode (DOT) on.net> wrote:

This where your argument falls apart.
I do NOT post COMM in here Franc.

I post "NEWS" items which are things that I do NOT sell Franc.
I post these for people that are interested in new items that are
available in various countries.

EG. The last two NEWS posts I have posted in here are to do with a new
Pioneer recorder which I do NOT sell and a Panasonic EX77/87 recorders
that I do not sell eother. Its for those that a re interested in DVD
recorders which many are.

I also post replies to people questions which has nothing to do with
my business. I am helping people to work out the problems they are
having.

As for flame wars, you seem to be the one doing that Franc.

I will continue to help people when they post a question asking how to
do something.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
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Email Contact info on the above site.
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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar (AT) iinternode (DOT) on.net> wrote

You sill little man, those charters you are referring to are not the actual
charters but ordinary posts made by trolls like you.

The official charter made in October of 95 says no spam but that has long
since been UPDATED
you sill little man.

Its why prefixes were created you silly little man.

You are braking your own little rules by doing the exact same thing.
You have started a flame war yourself. Your replies are agressive to
others that have repled.

My mistake, thre is no charter but there is a guidelines for aus.dvd which
clearly states that Comm posts are allowed along with Auction, Forsale,
WTD for wanted etc...

But do you know that they have been updated over the years.

Bullshit, who posted two commercial posts a faire few times.

Go and annoy some other news group.

On Sat, 05 May 2007 12:11:48 GMT, "peter" <peter (AT) aust (DOT) com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

You are an unprincipled liar.

The DVD format was only finalised in ****Dec 95**** and the first
player shipped in ****Nov 96****.

DVD Format Unification:
http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/1995_12/pr0802.htm

"The following is the text of the statement anouncing final agreement
on the DVD format, as released by the companies supporting the format,
on 8 December 1995."

http://museum.toshiba.co.jp/history/1goki/1998dvd.html

"In November 1996, Toshiba launched its SD-3000 DVD player, the first
of its kind in Japan. Matsushita, Sony, and other competitors released
their first DVD players around the same time."

Previously you said that spam does not exist in Usenet, now you're
saying that the charter specifically excluded spam. Furthermore,
you're now claiming that the charter was updated to *allow* spam.

Idiot.

Adding a prefix to spam is like supplying injecting rooms for drug
addicts.

We all have a duty to attack spammers.

One of many ...

Rubbish.

Put up or shut up.

I used to think that the lowest form of life in Usenet was the
spammer, but a spammer's arse kisser is even lower.

- Franc Zabkar
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On Sat, 05 May 2007 11:11:42 GMT, sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site
(SalesMart.com.au) put finger to keyboard and composed:

But the following statement implied that you were getting ready to do
so, or at least that you believed that you were entitled to do so.

"Advertising is allowed and in the charter for these news groups. I
don't advertise in used news groups but I do advertise in groups where
I am allowed to advertise. In here its one commercial post a week that
is allowed."

I repeat, the charters for *these* groups do not permit any
advertising, and you'll do us a service by not dumping your self
serving commercial announcements here.

- Franc Zabkar
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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar (AT) iinternode (DOT) on.net> wrote

You silly little man the alt.video.dvd groups which are quite a few were
created
on Oct of 1995. Its in the history books you tool.

DVD players may have been shipped in 96 but many knew they were coming which
is why the groups were created.

So you are saying Franc (smirk) that no one knew DVD was going to come out
before
1995? If you are saying that then you are a bloody moron Franc. It took them
years to
develope it and in that time everyone knew about it for some time before the
actual
release date.

Its like you saying that no one knew bluray was coming out. We've all known
abouty bluray for years before ot came out as was the case with dvd.

What does this have to do with anything you moron ?
There are discussion forums on the new dvd years before it came out.
You see Franc everyone knew (except you but no surprise there) that
before Oct of 95 that dvd was coming which is why the news groups were
created in the first place. News groups don't just happen, there is a long
drawn out process before they are created.

You have no idea about usenet. Go play somewhere else.

The charter is not set in stone you twit. Its only a guide.
There have been discussions on this before you moron.
Go do a google search.

You're kidding. Now who's getting off the subject.

Pit you don't know the meaning of the word SPAM.

At least I can admit it where you spout lies to your own ends.

Not rubbish, its in the history books or in this case in the first postings
to the aus.dvd
news group.

I already have.

Quite sad Franc that you do not even know the rules of these news groups.
Go look at the first ever posts on aus.dvd and there you will find a
moderator
post from the creator of the news group. Its all there in blank and white.

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar (AT) iinternode (DOT) on.net> wrote

I don't expect it, but don't you owe sm an apology for accusing him of
spamming
this news group and the other ones you accused him of spamming when he
hadn't even
posted a single commercial in any of these groups to begin with.

You accuse him of spamming aus.dvd when its in the guidelines for commercial
posts.
According to the guidelines of aus.dvd there is allowed one or two
commercial posts
in aus.dvd per week as there are for - forsale, for auction etc...