Only they call it floating-body RAM. AMD obviously has put a scare into
Intel with its well-advanced studies with Innovative Silicon. It would
be interesting to see how Intel can get around Innovative's patents in
this field. BTW, the "history effect" that Intel is talking about is
capacitance, and this indicates that Intel is looking into using SOI as
well, because this is the only way it can create a capacitance.

Intel talk up Floating Body Cells
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36285

YKhan wrote:
Right Yousuf, you keep on telling yourself that. Intel just totally
pulled this research out of a hat, it even came with a pink rabbit!

Probably the same way that the other folks are...ISi is hardly the only
company working on this.

Intel has already stated that they will use FD-SOI in the future.

DK

In article <1165887102.694611.20600 (AT) 79g2000cws (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
dkanter (AT) gmail (DOT) com says...
Dean Jr., why don't you just stuff a sock wherever your ad-hominums
come from?

History shows that Intel is quite a political beast, now matter how
much of a fan-boy you are.

No, the real reason is cross-licenses.

Whoppie! Some day they'll get with the program? Politics is ugly
in high-tech.

--
Keith

On 11 Dec 2006 08:17:59 -0800, "YKhan" <yjkhan (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hmm.. anyone else wondering if they're going to call it FB-DDR memory,
just to really confuse people?


Does sound like pretty much the same idea as ZRAM, though I wonder if
it's been developed alongside Innovative Silicon or totally separate
from them? If they're going their own way, I sure hope this doesn't
turn into some ugly patent lawsuit between the two since that will end
up hurting everyone involved!
--
Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

Tony Hill wrote:

Nonsense. Silly patent lawsuits are the bedrock of innovative
technology.

Robert.

krw wrote:

Political beast in what sense? Any large corporation has politics.

You're thinking that Intel has access to ZRAM through AMD's access? Or
that Intel is just implementing something that they might have gotten
through another source?

Keith, I'm sure it's occurred to you that while SOI might be an
effective solution for lower volume players like IBM or AMD, it may not
be for a company of Intel's size.

I can agree with that.

DK

David Kanter wrote:
I think Keith is being politically-correct when he calls Intel
"political". I think he really means "childish". :-)

I think childishness is unique to Intel. Haven't seen another group of
people go so far out of their way to avoid being called emulating of
their biggest competitor. Anything that AMD has created, Intel knows it
needs it too, but it wants to reinvent the wheel rather than be accused
of adopting the same technology. It could be something as simple as
renaming the tech, e.g. AMD64 vs. EM64T (now Intel64, I guess). Other
times it's something like trying to come up with a Hypertransport
work-alike, called CSI, which still somehow manages not to be compatible
between all of its processor families, rather than simply licensing HT.
Now it's all of this effort to recreate Z-RAM on bulk silicon. They are
still going to have to add some SOI ontop of the bulk silicon to get
this to work, now what's the point of going through all of this
modification of bulk silicon to act like SOI, when SOI itself is around?
And if they've announced they're going to SOI anyways, this tech will
only have limited usage before they convert to SOI.


Intel definitely doesn't have access to ZRAM through AMD, it would have
to get its own license from Innovative. The Intel-AMD cross-license only
affects the instruction set.

Yousuf Khan

On 11 Dec 2006 23:11:46 -0800, "David Kanter" <dkanter (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Intel certainly has a lot of "dirty laundry" though.

It's even possible that they are just violating somebody else's patents,
just as claimed with straining.;-)

--
Rgds, George Macdonald

In article <1165907506.565884.234210 (AT) j44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
dkanter (AT) gmail (DOT) com says...
Internal politics >> customer requirements. It's a poison that has
killed more than one company. Intel looks like it can't resist the
temptation to self-destruct, moving deck chairs about.
Of course not! They'd have to license it separately, though their
corporate culture would be repulsed by the admission that someone/
*anyone* else had a better idea; politics.
Idiot. SOI works (though it did take some learning) in any sized
fab. Spreading it to a few more isn't a huge deal. You're simply
being an Intel apologist again.

Then you must agree that Intel has its corporate head up its ass,
and has had it firmly there for a decade, or more.

--
Keith

krw wrote:
Also that partnership of "low-volume producers", otherwise known as AMD
& IBM, announced that they've gotten 45nm samples working with immersion
lithography. Intel hasn't gotten immersion lithography working, because
"it believes it's not ready yet". Now that AMD has gotten to it first,
that probably just means Intel is now going to push air lithography to
its bitter end, just to spite AMD. :-)

BetaNews | AMD Chasing Intel to 45nm by 2008
http://www.betanews.com/article/AMD_...008/1165954673

Yousuf Khan