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What motherboards are based on Intel 915 and Intel 945 chipsets
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Re: What motherboards are based on Intel 915 and Intel 945 chipsets -
03-30-2006
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For all we know Intel chipsets also have problems in this area, but who is going to make an issue of it? |
be better off over at www.cctvforum.com. It's the best security DVR
forum I've found so far, and they have a number of threads on PCs,
including systems that the members have built for these apps.
It's mostly geared towards industry vendors, and they prefer the
higher-end solutions, but they can be very helpful if you have
specific questions that they're familiar with.
You may want to search on bt878 while you're there, as there are some
experiences listed.
max
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:42:24 -0500, George Macdonald fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks (AT) tellurian (DOT) com> wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 04:59:24 GMT, max <maxicon13 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: Regardless, the OP came with a pretty specific and valid question, and got a very rude response, including being accused of trolling, when his post was clearly not a troll. No, he asked... was given a suggestion, which he rejected in a manner that revealed ignorance and prejudice. The question is: why did he post that here in the first place? There are plenty of Intel fan, and mbrd mfr, Web Forums for such a question. Hell a quick browse at NewEgg would have told all... do'h there are mbrd mfrs, including Intel, who list their product line on-line. Actually, he said this: "The PCI adapters in question are not considered to work well with AMD boards. Pentium boards with Intel chipsets appear to be the preferred type in that area." This is true in the context of multi-input DVR cards - they're not considered to work well, and Intel chipsets are preferred, per the vendor and manufacturer recommendations. |
the driver situation is umm, fraught with pitfalls and slop.
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This may not be an accurate characterization, and someone with the time and money to try out a variety of MBs could probably disprove it, but no one has volunteered. |
other and they just don't seem to want to do it - nobody should have to
volunteer.
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It's just a fact of life in the multi-channel DVR card market. Note that this isn't a high-volume commodity item, but is a low-volume specialty item. Choices are limited if you want anything resembling mainstream support. He's stated in another post that he has nothing against AMD and has used them before. In this case, though, it would be foolish to go against the vendor recommendation without previous experience. In any case, asking for motherboard or chipset recommendations on this NG is not exactly news, and is hardly evidence of a troll. |
chipset is not a likely configuration -- is not hard to determine from the
sources I mentioned.
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As for troll, while it's always *possible* the OP is naive, you are clearly not aware of just how desperate Intel has gotten in recent times - it shows.... we've had others - .<shrug I'm pretty well versed with the situation at Intel, and with the fanbois who show up on this NG, both AMD and Intel. It really seems rather unlikely that Intel would send someone here to badmouth the competition in the DVR arena, since it affects an extremely small fraction of PC buyers, and is already established tribal knowledge in that world. There's much more mileage to be had from speculations about Conroe. |
not considered to work well in AMD-based systems in general, when there are
5 or 6 different candidate chipsets, is essentially saying that PCI is
unreliable on all but Intel chipsets. Why am I having to repeat this?
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Possibly the AMD fans can take it up with DVR board manufacturers and security system vendors and get them to change their minds, rather than beating up on the customers attempting to follow the vendor recommendations. Now who's throwing around accustaions - this is not a case of "fans"... Intel *or* AMD - it's about having industry standards which a mfr wants to adopt but only the subset of quirks which fit his "design"... as if a future Intel chipset is going to work as well with their hobbled card as the then current one... "Intel" is the magic word! This is BS and people who design the stuff, like Keith, know this. Accusations? You mean suggesting that the naysayers are AMD fans? That seems rather obvious, and is hardly an accusation. The OP has the problem that his vendors say "Intel chipsets only", while others say "BS! AMD will do fine, you naive troll!" Unfortunately, no one has suggested an AMD-based board that will work with his DVR board or that his vendor will support. |
AFAICT he hasn't actually said which DVR board so it would be unlikely that
anyone who was interested could give any advice at all.
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I agree that having global standards for such products is a Good Thing, but unfortunately, that's not how it is in this particular market. It may be foolish and lazy of them, but they represent a very, very small fraction of a percent of the motherboard market. It's kind of a silly thing to get all bent out of shape about, don't you think? |
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George, my reasons for going with Intel are very much as Max says. I have neither the resources nor the time to try out various motherboards to see which one is most suitable. |
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I need to get it right the first time and if the general wisdom in that area is go to with Intel then I think that is the one I should go for. This is the quote I received from the cards retailer I recommend Intel chipsets for use with the BT878 chipsets. While I've never experienced a problem directly I'm heard of problems involving AMD chipsets. |
that your retailer is as dumb as the vendor is lazy.
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Should I still try out AMD? I checked the software manufacturer's website and they also say go with Intel. |
apparently accepted as conventional wisdom, by dumb & lazy vendors. If,
OTOH, there were an AMD64 system within easy reach, how much would it cost
you to try? It's not going to break the cards.
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I am not using Geovision cards but on their website here is a list of motherboards they have tested http://www.remote-security.com/download/pctested.pdf. |
mentioned "considered not to work well" or just untested?... err, couldn't
be bothered?
The list contains three SiS-based systems and one nForce2 (talk about
obsolete), which directly contradicts what is said in the page with the
click through to the .pdf. Hell those assholes can't even keep their Web
site up to date.
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I have also one thing to add. In the past I have built PCs at friends and business associates request, and for the most part I used AMD for its price/performance advantage and only used Pentiums when the person directly requested it. I have no bias against AMD and have fallen behind on the chipset and motherboard issues, which is why I posted this question. In these circumstance am I really serving the customers wishes by going with more risky (however marginal) or simply untested AMDs solution with the attendant time and expense, or should I play it safe and try to get it right first time, within the limits of anecdotal evidence? |
inclined to "give it a go" just to see if it'd work off the bat without
excessive fiddling.
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Are you inclined to sneer at individuals or companies who might not have the resources - time, financial or technical, to test their systems for absolute compatibility with all the motherboards and chipsets out there? Is that considered to be a crime? |
a comfortable income from selling the same old stuff with zero effort...
"oh hell, it seems to work with Intel, let's just sack the techs and
programmers".:-)
Oh well, let's hope there's someone around who has an eye on their lunch
and a bit of motivation. Maybe with the increasing popularity of personal
DVR, where there are plenty of vendors willing to sell into the non-Intel
pool, things will get sorted out for multi-channel DVR.
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You're missing the point - to say that a supposedly standard PCI card is not considered to work well in AMD-based systems in general, when there are 5 or 6 different candidate chipsets, is essentially saying that PCI is unreliable on all but Intel chipsets. Why am I having to repeat this? |
related situations. I'm sure folks here have recommended one brand of
memory over another. However, DDR memory is DDR memory, it's based on
a standard, so it should all work equally well according to your logic.
Just because it is standards based doesn't mean everything is fine.
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Possibly the AMD fans can take it up with DVR board manufacturers and security system vendors and get them to change their minds, rather than beating up on the customers attempting to follow the vendor recommendations. Now who's throwing around accustaions - this is not a case of "fans"... Intel *or* AMD - it's about having industry standards which a mfr wants to adopt but only the subset of quirks which fit his "design"... as if a future Intel chipset is going to work as well with their hobbled card as the then current one... "Intel" is the magic word! This is BS and people who design the stuff, like Keith, know this. Accusations? You mean suggesting that the naysayers are AMD fans? That seems rather obvious, and is hardly an accusation. The OP has the problem that his vendors say "Intel chipsets only", while others say "BS! AMD will do fine, you naive troll!" Unfortunately, no one has suggested an AMD-based board that will work with his DVR board or that his vendor will support. Ridiculous extrapolation of what was said. |
DK
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You're missing the point - to say that a supposedly standard PCI card is not considered to work well in AMD-based systems in general, when there are 5 or 6 different candidate chipsets, is essentially saying that PCI is unreliable on all but Intel chipsets. Why am I having to repeat this? George, don't be silly. This same thing comes up in other standards related situations. |
same situattion as we have here.
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I'm sure folks here have recommended one brand of memory over another. However, DDR memory is DDR memory, it's based on a standard, so it should all work equally well according to your logic. Just because it is standards based doesn't mean everything is fine. |
company and thrown open through an "open" organization set up to administer
the tech specs and licensing, and out of the 6 or so chipset mfrs, the only
one which can apparently do it right, in the eyes of one of the licensees,
is the original inventor, something stinks.
The DDR memory situation is completely different - you can get minor
mismatches from time to time but IME, if you buy reputable brand name DIMMs
they do work across platforms. A comparable situation to the PCI
"incompatibility" issue would be if you *could* buy DDR DIMMs of any mfr
but the mbrd mfrs specified *only* Samsung or *only* Micron chips and
DIMMs.
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Possibly the AMD fans can take it up with DVR board manufacturers and security system vendors and get them to change their minds, rather than beating up on the customers attempting to follow the vendor recommendations. Now who's throwing around accustaions - this is not a case of "fans"... Intel *or* AMD - it's about having industry standards which a mfr wants to adopt but only the subset of quirks which fit his "design"... as if a future Intel chipset is going to work as well with their hobbled card as the then current one... "Intel" is the magic word! This is BS and people who design the stuff, like Keith, know this. Accusations? You mean suggesting that the naysayers are AMD fans? That seems rather obvious, and is hardly an accusation. The OP has the problem that his vendors say "Intel chipsets only", while others say "BS! AMD will do fine, you naive troll!" Unfortunately, no one has suggested an AMD-based board that will work with his DVR board or that his vendor will support. Ridiculous extrapolation of what was said. Perhaps ridiculous, but it's 100% correct. |
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Rgds, George Macdonald
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