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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:40:32 +0000, Conor wrote: Single Raptors have been proven to beat SATA drives running in RAID 0. Do you have a link for this test. I just don't believe it. |
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In article <hAAIf.16130$7C3.13392@trnddc08>, Wes Newell says... On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:40:32 +0000, Conor wrote: Single Raptors have been proven to beat SATA drives running in RAID 0. Do you have a link for this test. I just don't believe it. http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/...ends_performan ce_lead/page7.html No they weren't early SATA drives. Summary: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/...ends_performan ce_lead/page14.html |
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Wes Newell wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/...ends_performan ce_lead/page7.html Summary: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/...ends_performan ce_lead/page14.html Well, I don't know what charts you are looking at, but this one clearly shows the raid0 array kicking the raptors tail in min., aver., and max. read MBps 129.3 to 86.9. And they didn't even post the raid0 write results in the second chart. Only single drives with the raptor of course winning that by not much of 85 to 71 MBps. http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/...ead/page8.html The raptor won one appalication benchmark by a small margin and 0 actual drive throuput benchmarks. The spin doctors at work.:-) I think he just did what many people do...skip the serious tests and all the numbers, read the conclusions at the end and just assume whatever is said must be true. I agree with him that the Raptors are fast. There's no argument there. But they would only beat a RAID 0 array if they too were in a similar RAID setup. |
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Cal Vanize wrote: That said, my next system will likely use three or four drives in RAID0 to take full advantage of even more powerful processors. There may be some increased risk, but we all need to regularly back up our important data. If you want to use 4 drives, I would recommend running a RAID 0+1 setup where you get the best of both worlds - high data rates and mirroring for data integrity. |
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I usually take ANY review with a grain of salt but do compare measured results. I also compare any reviews from Tom's to those on AnandTech. I don't often trust manufacturer's cnumber since they just might tend to be a little biased. What annoys me is that Tom's used to have good honest reviews. Take a look at some of their reviews from 2000-2003 about disk tests, and you'll get completely opposite conclusions. In fact, I seem to recall an article about RAID 0 double drives verses single, and they showed how the RAID 0 doubled the data transfer rates. I think it's obvious they have an agenda to make money and don't care about honesty or integrity anymore. |
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Cal Vanize wrote: If you want to use 4 drives, I would recommend running a RAID 0+1 setup where you get the best of both worlds - high data rates and mirroring for data integrity. Nope. Going for speed. 0+1 only provides the same speed as 0. Four drives in RAID0. The only point where the speed would be the saem is the initial access since seek time isn't helped by dividing the load across multiple drives. What kind of stuff are you doing that benefits from a 4x drive system? I'm running a RAID 0 with two drives right now, and while raw transfers to/from the disk are substantially faster than a single drive, not everything is twice as fast - for obvious reasons. |
| What annoys me is that Tom's used to have good honest reviews. Take a look at some of their reviews from 2000-2003 about disk tests, and you'll get completely opposite conclusions. I wouldn't go that far. They might be doing as a lot of other organizations have been by providing draft reviews to the manufacturers involved. It can help keep them from forking out more in legal fees and damages than they could possibly make from advertising. If they didn't lie about their reviews, they wouldn't have legal issues. :-) |
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Under any circumstances, I only look to actual measured results and only glance the editorial comments to see if there are failures, installation issues, compatibility problems or if the product falls below expectations. Same here. Too often I read "conclusions" that grossly conflict with the test results. I sometimes wonder if the reviewers actually know what they're doing. I guess this comes from 50 years of having to read past manufacturer's "claims". Fifty years?!? You old fart! Welcome to the golden years. When the kids come back home and they want you to feed and clothe them again. |
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Ahh, so you're just looking for maximum speed. I've been considering adding two more drives and going with a striped and mirrored setup. Since drives are so inexpensive now, running a couple more drives to keep everything safe is easy. I don't think I'd really benefit from a 4 disk RAID 0, but cutting backups to a minimum would be nice. Not that I've ever had a hard drive fail. I guess I've always sold the systems and upgraded before they got too old. The longest was four years for the P4 I was using just before I bought this system. |
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| Oh, so YOU'RE to blame for all this! |
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I've been considering adding two more drives and going with a striped and mirrored setup. Since drives are so inexpensive now, running a couple more drives to keep everything safe is easy. I don't think I'd really benefit from a 4 disk RAID 0, but cutting backups to a minimum would be nice. Not that I've ever had a hard drive fail. I guess I've always sold the systems and upgraded before they got too old. The longest was four years for the P4 I was using just before I bought this system. |
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Cal Vanize wrote: Rather than doing RAID1+0, you could opt for an inexpensive IDE drive to use for back-up of your data. Periodically copy all of your data to the back-up. A lot cheaper and easier to manage. I've considered that too, but I'd like to be able to disconnect it when it's not being used to reduce wear and tear. So I also considered using an external drive and connect it when needed. Don't know which option I'll go with yet... |
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