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Default OT: Hard Disk question - 02-14-2006 , 02:11 PM






Hi all - slightly off topic although my system is nicely overclocked.

Basically I want to buy a new larger harddisk (Raptor 150gb 10kb rpm 16mb
cache) - The my options are:

set up raid and use both disks : Question what is fastest raid setup and
does it matter that the two disks read/write at different speeds?

remove old disk and use single new disk : Question how do I copy everything
onto new disk and then remove old one - I do not want to do a clean install?

Help much appreciated - my preference is to have the single disk setup.

Setup:

XP Pro 05 ed
amd a64 4400x2 @ 2666 htt x 4 v1.4 11x244
ati x1900xtx 512mb 680/1600
2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix PC4000 ddr 1T
msi K8n Diamond SLI (NF4)




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Default Re: OT: Hard Disk question - 02-14-2006 , 02:31 PM






themillman wrote:
Quote:
Hi all - slightly off topic although my system is nicely overclocked.

Basically I want to buy a new larger harddisk (Raptor 150gb 10kb rpm 16mb
cache) - The my options are:

set up raid and use both disks : Question what is fastest raid setup and
does it matter that the two disks read/write at different speeds?

remove old disk and use single new disk : Question how do I copy everything
onto new disk and then remove old one - I do not want to do a clean install?

Help much appreciated - my preference is to have the single disk setup.

Setup:

XP Pro 05 ed
amd a64 4400x2 @ 2666 htt x 4 v1.4 11x244
ati x1900xtx 512mb 680/1600
2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix PC4000 ddr 1T
msi K8n Diamond SLI (NF4)



Well first of all, you have to have the same type of disk to run a raid
setup. Like you would have to have 2 WD Raptors of the same speed and
size. Second, the drive utilities that come with a new drive have a tool
that will allow you to copy the entire contents of your old drive to the
new one. I would suggest the single drive setup and backup often. 2 150
raptors would be a budget buster.

XP Pro 64-bit
ASUS A8N-SLI
AMD X2 4200+
2 Gig Samsung
6600GT Nvidia 256M
36 WD Raptor HD


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Default Re: OT: Hard Disk question - 02-14-2006 , 05:10 PM




"Marty" <mdrabic (AT) welka (DOT) com> wrote

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themillman wrote:
Hi all - slightly off topic although my system is nicely overclocked.

Basically I want to buy a new larger harddisk (Raptor 150gb 10kb rpm 16mb
cache) - The my options are:

set up raid and use both disks : Question what is fastest raid setup and
does it matter that the two disks read/write at different speeds?

remove old disk and use single new disk : Question how do I copy
everything onto new disk and then remove old one - I do not want to do a
clean install?

Help much appreciated - my preference is to have the single disk setup.

Setup:

XP Pro 05 ed
amd a64 4400x2 @ 2666 htt x 4 v1.4 11x244
ati x1900xtx 512mb 680/1600
2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix PC4000 ddr 1T
msi K8n Diamond SLI (NF4)




Well first of all, you have to have the same type of disk to run a raid
setup. Like you would have to have 2 WD Raptors of the same speed and
size. Second, the drive utilities that come with a new drive have a tool
that will allow you to copy the entire contents of your old drive to the
new one. I would suggest the single drive setup and backup often. 2 150
raptors would be a budget buster.

XP Pro 64-bit
ASUS A8N-SLI
AMD X2 4200+
2 Gig Samsung
6600GT Nvidia 256M
36 WD Raptor HD
Thanks Marty - do you know a commercial utility for doing it? Also OT
again, how you getting on with xp 64?




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Wes Newell
 
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Default Re: OT: Hard Disk question - 02-14-2006 , 05:55 PM



On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:11:46 +0000, themillman wrote:

Quote:
Hi all - slightly off topic although my system is nicely overclocked.

Basically I want to buy a new larger harddisk (Raptor 150gb 10kb rpm 16mb
cache) - The my options are:

set up raid and use both disks : Question what is fastest raid setup and
does it matter that the two disks read/write at different speeds?

Striped. Raid 0. But I don't know if win supports different sized disk.

Quote:
remove old disk and use single new disk : Question how do I copy
everything onto new disk and then remove old one - I do not want to do a
clean install?
Then you're screwed. A striped pair has to be formatted. If you just want
to copy your old drive partition to a new drive, then there's all kinds of
parttion programs similar to Partition magic. If you don't have one, get
a Knoppix linux cd for free and use linux partimage to do it. Although it
may not support NTFS totally yet. Won't be a problem with fat32.

Quote:
Help much appreciated - my preference is to have the single disk setup.

Then do it. But you can't raid a single disk. Well, you can, but probably
not in win.

Just a note. Even a single 10K rpm drive is going to be slower than a pair
of 7200rpm drives in raid 0. How much slower I'm not sure, but the raided
pair will almost double in speed. If you want to witch to Linux, then you
could raid the different drive type/sizes. Never saw XP so I don't know.

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Default Re: OT: Hard Disk question - 02-14-2006 , 06:40 PM



In article <1139944179.6788.0 (AT) doris (DOT) uk.clara.net>, themillman says...
Quote:
Hi all - slightly off topic although my system is nicely overclocked.

Basically I want to buy a new larger harddisk (Raptor 150gb 10kb rpm 16mb
cache) - The my options are:

set up raid and use both disks : Question what is fastest raid setup and
does it matter that the two disks read/write at different speeds?

remove old disk and use single new disk : Question how do I copy everything
onto new disk and then remove old one - I do not want to do a clean install?

Help much appreciated - my preference is to have the single disk setup.

Single Raptors have been proven to beat SATA drives running in RAID 0.

You want Norton Ghost or similar to clone the HDD.


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Same shit, different day.


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Default Re: OT: Hard Disk question - 02-14-2006 , 07:33 PM




"Conor" <conor.turton (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

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In article <1139944179.6788.0 (AT) doris (DOT) uk.clara.net>, themillman says...
Hi all - slightly off topic although my system is nicely overclocked.

Basically I want to buy a new larger harddisk (Raptor 150gb 10kb rpm 16mb
cache) - The my options are:

set up raid and use both disks : Question what is fastest raid setup and
does it matter that the two disks read/write at different speeds?

remove old disk and use single new disk : Question how do I copy
everything
onto new disk and then remove old one - I do not want to do a clean
install?

Help much appreciated - my preference is to have the single disk setup.

Single Raptors have been proven to beat SATA drives running in RAID 0.

You want Norton Ghost or similar to clone the HDD.


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Conor,

Same shit, different day.
thanks all




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Default Re: OT: Hard Disk question - 02-15-2006 , 02:17 AM



On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:40:32 +0000, Conor wrote:

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Single Raptors have been proven to beat SATA drives running in RAID 0.

Do you have a link for this test. I just don't believe it. I know I got
just about double speed when I put 2 WD800BB drives in raid 0. Of course
they're pata drives. Wasn't early sata drives nothing more than pata with
an interrface on them. Maybe those were used in the test. BTW, if one
decides to use raid 0, the drives should be on sperste controllers, not on
the same cable.

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Default Re: OT: Hard Disk question - 02-15-2006 , 05:15 AM



Personally, Raptors are really overrated, and I never recommend RAID. A
lot of tests out there have shown RAID to actually hinder gaming and
only benefit users under certain criteria.
If you are dead set on RAID, go with RAID 3 or RAID 5,

RAID3 - Data is "striped" across several physical drives. Maintains
parity information which can be used for data recovery should one drive
fail.

RAID5 - Data is "striped" across several physical drives. For data
redundancy, drives are encoded with rotated XOR redundancy.

Skip the Raptors, save a ton of money you can put into something else,
and go with a couple 250-320GB HDD that have 16MB of cache and support
SATA 2.5

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Default Re: OT: Hard Disk question - 02-15-2006 , 08:18 AM



themillman wrote:
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"Marty" <mdrabic (AT) welka (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1139945504.157058 (AT) web (DOT) velocity.net...
themillman wrote:
Hi all - slightly off topic although my system is nicely overclocked.

Basically I want to buy a new larger harddisk (Raptor 150gb 10kb rpm 16mb
cache) - The my options are:

set up raid and use both disks : Question what is fastest raid setup and
does it matter that the two disks read/write at different speeds?

remove old disk and use single new disk : Question how do I copy
everything onto new disk and then remove old one - I do not want to do a
clean install?

Help much appreciated - my preference is to have the single disk setup.

Setup:

XP Pro 05 ed
amd a64 4400x2 @ 2666 htt x 4 v1.4 11x244
ati x1900xtx 512mb 680/1600
2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix PC4000 ddr 1T
msi K8n Diamond SLI (NF4)



Well first of all, you have to have the same type of disk to run a raid
setup. Like you would have to have 2 WD Raptors of the same speed and
size. Second, the drive utilities that come with a new drive have a tool
that will allow you to copy the entire contents of your old drive to the
new one. I would suggest the single drive setup and backup often. 2 150
raptors would be a budget buster.

XP Pro 64-bit
ASUS A8N-SLI
AMD X2 4200+
2 Gig Samsung
6600GT Nvidia 256M
36 WD Raptor HD

Thanks Marty - do you know a commercial utility for doing it? Also OT
again, how you getting on with xp 64?


No need for a commercial utility...it come with pretty much any new
drive you buy....i know the WD drive i buy come with "Data Lifeguard
Utilities" which is a bootable CD what will clone your drive when you
install it. It is very easy. I personally am not a Raid fan unless you
are setting up a server for a high performance file server in an office
environment. For gaming and stuff like that you can beat the
raptors....look at any benchmark that has been put out lately...the
raptors kill them all.

I've been running XP64 for about 6 months now and there is only one of
my programs that i can't run and that is because the company refuses to
build a patch for it. I love it....I mostly use ACAD and it screams. I
have found drivers for everything i have and really have had no problems.


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Default Re: OT: Hard Disk question - 02-15-2006 , 09:31 AM



In article <1139998529.650428.150250 (AT) g43g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
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Quote:
Personally, Raptors are really overrated,
Really? 1/3 of the seek time of every other drive and faster in single
drive mode than most in RAID 0?

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