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Re: E4300 and 650i overclocking
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Re: E4300 and 650i overclocking -
03-30-2007
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'Thomas' wrote, in part: I'm also looking for a new rig, similar to your lay-out. First thing is, I'm wondering why you went 'all-out' with the memory? I was thinking about getting some 800 MHz CL4 memory (cheaper), since overclocking the CPU by 100% would still leave me with an FSB of 400 MHz, which translates to 800MHz memory speed. Or are you simply investing in future upgradability? _____ I want to thoroughly explore overclocking the Intel Core 2 Duo. What I finally decided on was to put together a system with the fewest possible limitations on overclocking. That's why I went with fast memory and the nVidia 680i motherboard. I picked the E4300 for two reasons; it's the cheapest Core 2 Duo, and it starts off with a lower FSB. After I thoroughly wring out the E4300 then the E6000 series will be cheaper, then after that there's 45 nanometers, and 32, and 22, and ... I have a water cooling system with a 12" X 12" radiator, a few Peltier arrays, and a Lamda 11 - 15 VDC 50 amp adjustable power supply. I have temperature readout system with 8 sensors and a serial port and a parts box going back to the Celeron 300a. With this system it's the journey that's important to me. I am not a big gamer, and so far I don't edit video (too much like work for no pay B^) The only reason I went for an nVidia 8800 card is to keep an eye on DX10 (hoping that Microsoft will eventually provide DX10 without Vista, or at least wit a more mature Vista. So you see I'm more interested in what I can do TO this system than in what the system can DO. If I really need performance, I'd still think hard about the same high speed memory, inexpensive CPU. Right now the price differential between 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) and 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-800 (PC6400) is only $40 US (ZipZoomFly.com). The price differential between the E4300 and the E6600 is $150 US ( I see no reason to go for an E6000 series CPU with a 2 MByte L2 cache. Also, if Intel brings forth a 1333 MHz FSB, then PC8500 memory will still be useful with only a moderate CPU:Memory clock ratio change. I could be wrong. I first began programming computers in 1965; I tend to take the long view. Hope this helps. Thanks for your comments and questions. Please post an update on what you build and your results. Phil Weldon |
well. I just read this morning that Intel is releasing a 45nm 8 core chip in
(at least they say) early 2008. Each of the 8 cores will be hyperthreaded. I
just read the damn article and forget the code name of the thing.
With your cooling and tenacity, I would guess you will probably get the
4300 processor to a 100% OC.........:-). Somewhere between 3.4 and 3.6 would
be very good. Keep us informed on your progress, I am really interested.
Whichever I decide on, I will probably go with just water cooling sans the
Peltier. Good luck pal.
Ed
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By the way, I'm going to try out diamond dust in an oil soluble base for a thermal compound; it's cheaper than 'Arctic Silver'! Five grams of 0-2 micron diamond particles for $7.34 US. Actually larger particles would likely be better; that's a bit more expensive; ~ $20 US for five grams. McMaster-Carr at http://www.mcmaster.com |
seems a rather strange thing to use to me. Does it have properties that I'm
not aware of? Are you sure that the paste won't thin out and run away at
temperature leaving a few "rocks" and air gaps in it's place?
Is it just for bragging rights? ("You've got silver? Loser. Mine is
diamond." <g>)
(BTW, I'm aware of your view on commercial TIMs).
Cheers, and good luck with the system, I'll be following your progress with
interest.
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Shaun.
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Phil Weldon wrote: [snip] By the way, I'm going to try out diamond dust in an oil soluble base for a thermal compound; it's cheaper than 'Arctic Silver'! Five grams of 0-2 micron diamond particles for $7.34 US. Actually larger particles would likely be better; that's a bit more expensive; ~ $20 US for five grams. McMaster-Carr at http://www.mcmaster.com S'cuse my ignorance Phil but why the diamond lapping paste as a TIM? It seems a rather strange thing to use to me. Does it have properties that I'm not aware of? Are you sure that the paste won't thin out and run away at temperature leaving a few "rocks" and air gaps in it's place? Is it just for bragging rights? ("You've got silver? Loser. Mine is diamond." <g>) (BTW, I'm aware of your view on commercial TIMs). Cheers, and good luck with the system, I'll be following your progress with interest. |
thermally conductive. I only hope that your paste has a high percentage of
diamonds to carrier. Maybe you could heat it and hope that the diamonds
settle? Probably not at that size.
Anyway, good luck. :-)
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Shaun.
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I laid my money down, and did pretty well price-wise ($1000 US for the five core components). |
wait the extra month for the Core 2 Duo price drops.
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'Fishface' wrote: | Having waited this long, I don't know why you didn't just | wait the extra month for the Core 2 Duo price drops. _____ Because I did not pick the Core 2 Duo E4300 for price. Because the CPU price is now a small fraction of the display adapter/motherboard/memory/power supply cost. Because a 65 nm quad won't show me anything that the E4300 won't. Phil Weldon I do the same. If I wait until the price drops, something new has been |
compared to previous offerings, so I doubt that there will be a huge
difference when considered in the whole scheme of things.
Ed
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| I do the same. If I wait until the price drops, something new has been | released that interests me and so on. The price on the 4300s began so low | compared to previous offerings, so I doubt that there will be a huge | difference when considered in the whole scheme of things. _____ Let's see, mmm... I have the time do build it this week, but otherwise not for the next month ... is that worth the price of a movie, parking, coke and popcorn to me ... mmm. Yeah. Phil Weldon Lets see........Wife and I are going to the Corrales vs Clottey boxing match |
to an E6600........LOL..........BTW, I think I am going to go the E6600
route in a couple weeks probably starting with air cooling and then water.
Maybe we can compare some benches and see how it all works out. Something
tells me that you might win out if only in the cooling area. It will be an
interesting project anyway.
Ed
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"~misfit~" <misfit61nz (AT) wahoo (DOT) com.au> wrote in message news:4612fdc3 (AT) news2 (DOT) actrix.gen.nz... Phil Weldon wrote: BTW, for some reason I LOL'ed when I read you say this in another post: "My memory arrived a few minutes ago...." Just struck me as funny. <shrug Good luck with the build. Regards, -- Shaun. hehehe...........I thought about saying something about that too Shaun. The only problem is that when you get to our age it seems that our memory always arrives a bit late.......:-) |
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'Ed Medlin' wrote: Lets see........Wife and I are going to the Corrales vs Clottey boxing match next Sat. Since it is a Showtime fight, tickets and parking costs are close to an E6600........LOL..........BTW, I think I am going to go the E6600 route in a couple weeks probably starting with air cooling and then water. Maybe we can compare some benches and see how it all works out. Something tells me that you might win out if only in the cooling area. It will be an interesting project anyway. _____ It'd be great to learn from each other in this experiment. I'm looking forward to it. Perhaps others will join in. |
way... Mainly financial reasons ;-) Also, I read the NVidia chipsets use way
more power than the Intels do. Performance of the 680i *is* better, but
nearly immeasurably so.
*The shortlist*:
Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 S775 I965P ATX
CPU: Intel CORE 2 DUO E4300 1.8GHZ
Memory: Kingston 2GB 800MHZ DDR2 LOW-LATENCY CL4
Video: Asus EN8800GTS/HTDP/320M GF8800GTS
DVD+-RW: Samsung DVD+-R/RW/DL/RAM/LS SATA BULK
PC case: Antec ATLAS EC: ATLAS EC 550W (truepower) ATX
Harddisk: Seagate BARRACUDA 7200.10 320GB SATAII
All this for just short of 1000 euro's. I can order it at one supplier here
in the netherlands.
Any remarks?
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Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst.
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Phil Weldon wrote: 'Ed Medlin' wrote: Lets see........Wife and I are going to the Corrales vs Clottey boxing match next Sat. Since it is a Showtime fight, tickets and parking costs are close to an E6600........LOL..........BTW, I think I am going to go the E6600 route in a couple weeks probably starting with air cooling and then water. Maybe we can compare some benches and see how it all works out. Something tells me that you might win out if only in the cooling area. It will be an interesting project anyway. _____ It'd be great to learn from each other in this experiment. I'm looking forward to it. Perhaps others will join in. Well, I've been looking some more, and figure I'll be going the Intel 965 way... Mainly financial reasons ;-) Also, I read the NVidia chipsets use way more power than the Intels do. Performance of the 680i *is* better, but nearly immeasurably so. *The shortlist*: Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 S775 I965P ATX CPU: Intel CORE 2 DUO E4300 1.8GHZ Memory: Kingston 2GB 800MHZ DDR2 LOW-LATENCY CL4 Video: Asus EN8800GTS/HTDP/320M GF8800GTS DVD+-RW: Samsung DVD+-R/RW/DL/RAM/LS SATA BULK PC case: Antec ATLAS EC: ATLAS EC 550W (truepower) ATX Harddisk: Seagate BARRACUDA 7200.10 320GB SATAII All this for just short of 1000 euro's. I can order it at one supplier here in the netherlands. Any remarks? -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst. I have been looking at I965 boards, but have decided to go with the NV650i |
since they both are very close. One of the main reasons is that I would like
to see how the performance numbers add up using the E4300 (Phil) and the
E6600 (me) in overclocking. Using the same basic chipset would be comparing
apples to apples instead of apples to oranges. I am going to try and use
components as close as I can (maybe different brands) to his system just for
comparison. Your system looks very good for the price. It is hard to believe
that components have come down so much in price since my last build. I would
go with 4gigs and probably faster memory (for overclocking headroom), but 2
should work out fine. I will probably go with Vista sometime down the road,
but since I have an extra XP Pro here I will use that for now. Vista loves
extra memory and will use it. Keep us advised and we can compare some notes.
Ed
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'Ed Medlin' wrote:, in part: I have been looking at I965 boards, but have decided to go with the NV650i route instead. I really have no preference as far as performance or price since they both are very close. One of the main reasons is that I would like to see how the performance numbers add up using the E4300 (Phil) and the E6600 (me) in overclocking. Using the same basic chipset would be comparing apples to apples instead of apples to oranges. _____ I seem to have 'buck fever', I can't pull the trigger B^( I've been prepping the case (Enlight server case, nine 5" bays and 1 3.5" bay in the front panel, ~ 8.75" wide X 17.5" high X 25" deep), checking component spacing, dressing cables, taking photos, finding technical questions in the motherboard documentation. And finishing my taxes. The front panel header for indicator LEDs and power switches has a different connection for the Power LED. There are two side-by-side pins, one is for a Power LED and the other is for a standby LED; the second terminal for each LED must be grounded. My case has plenty of LED indicators in the front panel (seven) but of course the Power LED connector from the front panel is a three pin plug with pin 1 and pin 3 connected, one being ground. With an SLI capable motherboard, when only one graphics board is installed it must be in the left most PCI-Ex X16 slot. In the case of the EVGA 680i motherboard this slot has one PCI slot between it and the left edge of the motherboard. The fan on the EVGA 8800 GTS is then only about an inch from the case bottom. I don't know the direction of the air flow, but it seems that a new hole in the case bottom will be in order. The present case fan complement is two 80 mm fans and one 120 mm fan. One last observation; the ~ 150 page manual doesn't get around to the connector and BIOS section until the halfway point. The first half is all about the nVidia Windows software functions for over clocking. There are nearly two dozen settable parameters for memory alone! Enjoy. |
Fwiw, I have the EVGA 680i , along with the Core2 Duo E6600.
I really like this mb with all it's settings, and it has been very stable
for me since I put it together about 6 weeks ago.
I have mine running 3.24 ghz ( cpu default is 2.4), with no problems. I
could probably get it higher by upping the voltage, but am happy where it is
now. I am running the Zalman 9700NT heatsink/fan on it.
I also went with the faster PC8500 Corsair Extreme ram, and am glad I did,
it really likes running at 1066 mhz.
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Don
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