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Re: Core 2 Duo and 680i overclocking (was E4300 and 650i overclocking) -
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I seem to have 'buck fever', I can't pull the trigger B^( I've been prepping the case (Enlight server case, nine 5" bays and 1 3.5" bay in the front panel, ~ 8.75" wide X 17.5" high X 25" deep), checking component spacing, dressing cables, taking photos, finding technical questions in the motherboard documentation. And finishing my taxes. Yep.....That is what I am in the middle of too. I sure as hell wish I had |
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The front panel header for indicator LEDs and power switches has a different connection for the Power LED. There are two side-by-side pins, one is for a Power LED and the other is for a standby LED; the second terminal for each LED must be grounded. My case has plenty of LED indicators in the front panel (seven) but of course the Power LED connector from the front panel is a three pin plug with pin 1 and pin 3 connected, one being ground. With an SLI capable motherboard, when only one graphics board is installed it must be in the left most PCI-Ex X16 slot. In the case of the EVGA 680i motherboard this slot has one PCI slot between it and the left edge of the motherboard. The fan on the EVGA 8800 GTS is then only about an inch from the case bottom. I don't know the direction of the air flow, but it seems that a new hole in the case bottom will be in order. Yea. They put out about as much heat as the C2D probably. |
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The present case fan complement is two 80 mm fans and one 120 mm fan. One last observation; the ~ 150 page manual doesn't get around to the connector and BIOS section until the halfway point. The first half is all about the nVidia Windows software functions for over clocking. There are nearly two dozen settable parameters for memory alone! Enjoy. Phil Weldon With that amount of OC'ing settings I am going to take a very hard look at |
been my choice in MBs over the years, but EVGA has made some good inroads. I
haven't decided on a case yet. My old Lian Li is going to remain housing my
current I630 3.0g @ 3.6 system. It has lived through probably 5 internal
systems and it is several years old. I have been looking at some cases that
have water cooling already built into them. Do you have any suggestions on a
water cooling system or ready-to-go cases? My old water cooling system is in
a drawer and all over the place. I need to get new tubing and probably add
at least 2-3 blocks so it is probably better, and even maybe cheaper to just
start anew. I even found a couple of Peltiers in there...:-). I doubt if I
will use them, but it is an option if I try and get crazy.......:-). I can't
find any markings on them, so I don't have any idea on their wattage or if
they even match. I do have an auxiliary PSU that I used with Peltiers in the
past that fits into a PCI slot that uses external power that I used with
Peltiers in the past. It even has a thermistor and will control fans' speed
and will run 2-3 case fans too. It is a neat little item that Thermaltake
made some 5-6 yrs ago for a short time.
Ed
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Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 S775 I965P ATX CPU: Intel CORE 2 DUO E4300 1.8GHZ Memory: Kingston 2GB 800MHZ DDR2 LOW-LATENCY CL4 Video: Asus EN8800GTS/HTDP/320M GF8800GTS DVD+-RW: Samsung DVD+-R/RW/DL/RAM/LS SATA BULK PC case: Antec ATLAS EC: ATLAS EC 550W (truepower) ATX Harddisk: Seagate BARRACUDA 7200.10 320GB SATAII All this for just short of 1000 euro's. I can order it at one supplier here in the netherlands. I have been looking at I965 boards, but have decided to go with the NV650i route instead. I really have no preference as far as performance or price since they both are very close. One of the main reasons is that I would like to see how the performance numbers add up using the E4300 (Phil) and the E6600 (me) in overclocking. Using the same basic chipset would be comparing apples to apples instead of apples to oranges. I am going to try and use components as close as I can (maybe different brands) to his system just for comparison. Your system looks very good for the price. It is hard to believe that components have come down so much in price since my last build. I would go with 4gigs and probably faster memory (for overclocking headroom), but 2 should work out fine. I will probably go with Vista sometime down the road, but since I have an extra XP Pro here I will use that for now. Vista loves extra memory and will use it. Keep us advised and we can compare some notes. |
very good review of the Asus P5NE-SLI (650i) made me sway in that direction.
Also, as I'm getting the 8800GTS, I now have the option of using SLI in the
future. Thanks for the heads-up!
About the memory, well, I'm still using XP, so for now, I'll stick to 2GB.
Let's see what the future holds!
Some components are on the waiting list, so it'll be about 2 weeks before I
can start the build. Can't wait ;-)
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Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst.
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'Core 2 Duo and 680i overclocking' Or, things my mother never told me. I have begun assemble my EVGA 680i motherboard / Intel Core 2 Duo system. With this motherboard (and I imagine it is at least partially true for other SLI motherboards) (a.) when you use a single nVidia 8800 class display adapter (1.) you lose one PCI slot (out of two) (2.) the CMOS clear jumper can not be accessed without removing the display adapter (3.) the on-motherboard power and reset buttons can not be accessed (4.) the CMOS battery can not be changed without removing the display adapter (5.) one of the chassis fan connections may no longer be usable (b.) when you add a second nVidia 8800 class display adapter you lose one PCI-Ex X1 slot (out of two) (c.) the explanation for the Power LED in the EVGA 680i manual is WRONG; the header is non-standard; two POWER LED pins are actually are set to control TWO LEDs, one for POWER and one for STANDBY. Ground for the two LEDs (or one) must be 'stolen' from another pin (I'll use the GROUND pin for the HD LED and be thankful for a case that has extra indicator LEDs. On-motherboard Ethernet ports and on-motherboard audio now seem like a necessity rather than a luxury. Phil Weldon |
can compare them with the EVGA offerings. I would 'like' to have a couple of
available PCI slots. I am getting things ready for my order now and will
probably begin my build within a week or so (deciding on components is
driving me nuts). I haven't decided if I will try air cooling first or go
directly to a water cooled setup. I plan on cooling everything with water
including the display adapter and chipsets. I do use flight simulators and a
few racing sims so I will need a higher end video card and I am still trying
to figure out a good water cooling system that will do the job. I presently
use onboard sound and ethernet, but would like to use my PCI card that I
used to use for recording multi-tracks that works well with my sound studio
software. Power and HD activity are the only LEDs I really need. I would
like to find the smallest case that will still handle the water cooling I am
going to need. I know I will need something larger than my present Lian Li
PC-60 series case. Thanks for the info Phil........
Ed
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ATX +12V rev 2.2 power supplies. Evidently 'two +12 VDC rails' and 'three +12 VDC rails' are not what they might seem. One regulator system provides +12 VDC which is then split to three current sensors. This is because of an ATX +12V rev 2.2 specification that limits maximum power on any 'rail' before overload protection kicks in to about 250 Watts. My new Antec Neo HE 550 Watt supply has three +12 VDC 'rails rated at 18 Amperes (500 Watts maximum total +12 VDC power.) The directions for connections indicates that one rail be used for display adapter #1 and another rail be used for graphics adapter #2 (if present.) I'd guess another rail is used for the 8-pin CPU power plug. I'd think that this power supply is more than adequate for any Core 2 Duo / 2 X 8800 GTS or 1 X 8800 GTX system. |
TruePower 550 2.0. This one features 'two 12 VDC rails'. I guess it'll be
powerful enough for my mainboard + 8800GTS.
http://www.antec.com/ec/productDetails.php?ProdID=01700
Anyone knows if this little case will fil a decent watercooling setup? The
idea of transferring the watercooling equipment is still itching me ;-)
Good luck to all of you on your builds...
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Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst.
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'Ed Medlin' wrote, in part: | I might see if I can search up some photos for the Asus version and see if I | can compare them with the EVGA offerings. I would 'like' to have a couple of | available PCI slots. I am getting things ready for my order now and will | probably begin my build within a week or so (deciding on components is | driving me nuts). _____ ATX +12V rev 2.2 power supplies. Evidently 'two +12 VDC rails' and 'three +12 VDC rails' are not what they might seem. One regulator system provides +12 VDC which is then split to three current sensors. This is because of an ATX +12V rev 2.2 specification that limits maximum power on any 'rail' before overload protection kicks in to about 250 Watts. My new Antec Neo HE 550 Watt supply has three +12 VDC 'rails rated at 18 Amperes (500 Watts maximum total +12 VDC power.) The directions for connections indicates that one rail be used for display adapter #1 and another rail be used for graphics adapter #2 (if present.) I'd guess another rail is used for the 8-pin CPU power plug. I'd think that this power supply is more than adequate for any Core 2 Duo / 2 X 8800 GTS or 1 X 8800 GTX system. Phil Weldon |
a case and water cooling system. I am going with the i680 from Asus with
onboard sound and lan (just in case I lose PCI slots). I decided on going
the SLI route with 2x 8800 GTS rather than a single GTX because of some of
the success folks have had with simulators with that setup. 2gb of ram
should do me fine and I am still looking for the fastest I can find to try
and keep my memory bandwidth up with the higher fsb of the E6600. I would
like to water cool the GPUs of both adapters and am trying to figure out how
many watts of heat I am looking at getting rid of with this setup. I know it
will be over 500w and maybe even 700. I don't want to "daisy chain" much. I
might do the chipset and CPU and then another line for the GPUs. I saw some
water blocks for the video memory, but don't know if that would be a
necessity. I want to see just how quiet I can get this system along with a
decent OC. I thought I had a good, new power supply but it turns out it is a
20 pin rather than 24. It is a MadDog (rebranded PC P & C) 550 so that is
out. I am going with 4x 500gb WDs (no Raptors) because a large part of what
I do is video processing and large HDD capacity is a must for me. I might
add one 250gb WD drive I have already for OS and apps and set up two raid0
arrays for video rendering and temp storage. The Antec Neo HE 550 should do
fine and is available as an option with several of the cases I have looked
at. I really thought I would have my order in by now, but when I start
looking around my mind gets changed, it seems, about every
5mins..........:-). Any recomendations on case and cooling you have might
help...lol. I haven't done any water cooling in years, so I get bogged down
pretty easily on the water cooling sites.
Ed
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'Ed Medlin' wrote, in part: Any recomendations on case and cooling you have might help...lol. I haven't done any water cooling in years, so I get bogged down pretty easily on the water cooling sites. _____ I've just gotten 'first light' from my E4300 / 680i / 8800 GTS system. I'll try to rush out some numbers that might help you with a cooling solution. About the FOUR 500 GByte hard drives (I went with one 500 GByte Seagate and another half-TByte of recycled PATA drives), my one 500 GByte SATA required 4 HOURS to format before I installed Windows XP Pro. So enjoy B^) Yep........been there and done that.......:-) I guess that is just one of |
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When I first booted up, prior to installing the OS, I found that the CPU was idling at 71 C! Not very pleased, I unshipped the heatsink and found the Intel supplied thermal compound to be caked and not well spread (the Intel supplied heatsink came with three stripes of thermal compound applied.) The machined finish of heatsink where the metal meets the CPU is the best I've seen, so I removed the Intel thermal compound and replaced it with a very small amount of zinc oxide / ester base thermal compound. This time idle temperature was 31 (input air temperature 26 C.) Also while in the BIOS the system temperature was 34 C and the chipset temperature was 44 C. The cooling fans (CPU, chipset, 8800 GTS) were VERY quiet, with the chipset fan the loudest (~6000 rpm vs. ~1100 for the CPU fan.) This was with the fan speeds set to manual and 100%. I had no control over the 8800 GTS fan at this point; it ran at a very low speed. I don't see an improved air cooling heatsink for the 8800 GTS or GTX being very useful; there just isn't much room to get more air IN, especially with SLI. Barring exotics, water-cooling would seem to be required for improvement, and the elaborate waterblock necessary is going to be EXPENSIVE. However, with the GTS, if you can get enough air into the case, the 8800 GTS fan should cool nicely as it is a squirrel-cage blower type and can move air at INCHES pressure rather than hundredths of inches as do the typical heatsink fan (air pressure measured in inches of water, with 32 feet being one atmosphere, a typical pipe organ might require air at ~ 7 inches. I guess I have developed a ritual over the years when it comes down to |
any processor and automatically clean and replace HS compound. Like I think
I have told you in the past,
my local computer shop gives me a free tube of Artic Silver (it ain't
better, it is free....:-) everytime I buy anything.
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At the moment it seems improving chipset cooling is a big priority. If stock air cooling (with lots of fresh cool case air) is sufficient for the 8800 GTS SLI pair, that should reduce the water cooling capital cost by two thirds or more (1/4 the heat dissipation to handle and much less elaborate heatsinks) if only the CPU and chipset are cooled. After looking at the cost of water cooling a couple of 8800 GTS cards, I |
CPU and chipset. Water cooling them can bring the total cost of a water
cooling system up very high. I was just concerned about
the noise of a pair of 8800 GTS cards, but if it is not an issue, I will
leave it as is.
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Thermometers: Harbor Freight ( http://www.harborfreight.com ) has several non-contact thermometers ranging in price from $7 to $40 US. I just ordered one of the $7 models. Harbor Freight also has some inexpensive thermometers for liquids. As always, the best case is one you actually HAVE. Pull the trigger already. The nice thing about convertible rackmount case is the big chunk of space between the front of the motherboard and the rear of the drives. That chunk is 7.5 inches X 7.5 inches X 16.5 inches in my Enlight cases (w/ ATX motherboard.) Phil Weldon Jeeze.......it is snowing like crazy outside right now and I am worried |
Kind of a rare thing here in the Ozarks in mid April... I am going to go
ahead and order. I have a case picked out that
will handle about all the water cooling I will need and will just go with
air at the moment and decide on the water
cooling later. If it is quiet enough and I can get a good, stable OC I may
just stay with it.
Ed
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Early temperatures from my E4300 / EVGA 680i / EVGA 8800 GTS / Patriot PC8500 SLI ready memory: After 10 minutes of the nTune stress test (all components) the end temperatures were CPU: 37 C System: 34 C GPU: 50 C. The side of the case was open and the air temperature was 23 C. All settings were stock. Memory settings (from the SPD) were 1066 MHz bus speed and 2.3 volts. Voltage: 2.3 VDC. At this point I have no idea what the stress test includes, and how fan speed control works - in the BIOS I had set the fan speeds to manual and to 100%, but the CPU fan speed at the end of the 10 minute stress test was more than twice the CPU fan speed reported by the BIOS with the 100% manual setting. At the moment only Windows XP Pro (without service packs and updates) plus nVidia drivers are installed. Now I need to read enough to understand how to use the stress test and interpret the results. Phil Weldon |
decrease when you close it up. I am not familiar with nTune's stress test,
but you cannot beat those temps if it stressing the CPU. How much noise are
you hearing with the stock fan and the video card fan?
Ed
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"Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed (AT) example (DOT) com> wrote in message news:r97Th.20421$PL.6136 (AT) newsread4 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net... 'Ed Medlin' wrote, in part: | I might see if I can search up some photos for the Asus version and see if I | can compare them with the EVGA offerings. I would 'like' to have a couple of | available PCI slots. I am getting things ready for my order now and will | probably begin my build within a week or so (deciding on components is | driving me nuts). _____ ATX +12V rev 2.2 power supplies. Evidently 'two +12 VDC rails' and 'three +12 VDC rails' are not what they might seem. One regulator system provides +12 VDC which is then split to three current sensors. This is because of an ATX +12V rev 2.2 specification that limits maximum power on any 'rail' before overload protection kicks in to about 250 Watts. My new Antec Neo HE 550 Watt supply has three +12 VDC 'rails rated at 18 Amperes (500 Watts maximum total +12 VDC power.) The directions for connections indicates that one rail be used for display adapter #1 and another rail be used for graphics adapter #2 (if present.) I'd guess another rail is used for the 8-pin CPU power plug. I'd think that this power supply is more than adequate for any Core 2 Duo / 2 X 8800 GTS or 1 X 8800 GTX system. Phil Weldon I have pretty much got everything together now except I just can't decide on a case and water cooling system. I am going with the i680 from Asus with onboard sound and lan (just in case I lose PCI slots). I decided on going the SLI route with 2x 8800 GTS rather than a single GTX because of some of the success folks have had with simulators with that setup. 2gb of ram should do me fine and I am still looking for the fastest I can find to try and keep my memory bandwidth up with the higher fsb of the E6600. I would like to water cool the GPUs of both adapters and am trying to figure out how many watts of heat I am looking at getting rid of with this setup. I know it will be over 500w and maybe even 700. I don't want to "daisy chain" much. I might do the chipset and CPU and then another line for the GPUs. I saw some water blocks for the video memory, but don't know if that would be a necessity. I want to see just how quiet I can get this system along with a decent OC. I thought I had a good, new power supply but it turns out it is a 20 pin rather than 24. It is a MadDog (rebranded PC P & C) 550 so that is out. I am going with 4x 500gb WDs (no Raptors) because a large part of what I do is video processing and large HDD capacity is a must for me. I might add one 250gb WD drive I have already for OS and apps and set up two raid0 arrays for video rendering and temp storage. The Antec Neo HE 550 should do fine and is available as an option with several of the cases I have looked at. I really thought I would have my order in by now, but when I start looking around my mind gets changed, it seems, about every 5mins..........:-). Any recomendations on case and cooling you have might help...lol. I haven't done any water cooling in years, so I get bogged down pretty easily on the water cooling sites. Ed Wow, |
I had 3 drives in one case and didn't like the drive temps I was seeing in
SpeedFan.
Keep a space between them if at all possible and keep that air flow going.
Amir
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Any suggestions on dual CPU stress tests and 680i motherboard temperature monitoring will be greatly appreciated. |
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'Ed Medlin' wrote: | Great temps. With a good case and good airflow, you might even see a | decrease when you close it up. I am not familiar with nTune's stress test, | but you cannot beat those temps if it stressing the CPU. How much noise are | you hearing with the stock fan and the video card fan? _____ The GPU fan noise is less than that of any other fan, but then I haven't really stressed the card very much so far. Using CPU Burn-In ver 1.1, error checking turned OFF CPU and chipset fan set to 100% All case fans OFF; Power Supply fan ON. Room air temperature: 27 C Reported by nVidia System monitor after 10 minutes CPU temperature: 43 C System temperature (chipset?): 40 C The chipset fan created more noise than the CPU fan. The CPU fan noise was low frequency and barely audible from 1 meter even with the case open, MUCH less noise than a Zalman 'flower' type fan/heatsink. The chipset fan created a high pitched noise. CPU Burn-In seems to stress only one CPU. SiSoft Sandra 2007 claimed to detect five temperature sensors, but would not show readings. nVidia System Monitor reports only three readings; CPU, System, GPU. I think System temperature may be chipset temperature. I installed a PCI ATA IDE card (Silicon Image SD-ATA133R). It is incompatible somehow with the system. It installs ok, but the system hangs darning boot-up if a drive is connected, does not hang if no drive is connected. The website indicates such a problem may exist if you do not set up a RAID. The directions for solving the problem don't make any sense. The controller card problem and the seeming lack of good stress tests and complete temperature monitoring mean I'm not having any overclocking fun right now, so I am going to concentrate on installing and customizing all the software. Any suggestions on dual CPU stress tests and 680i motherboard temperature monitoring will be greatly appreciated. Phil Weldon "Ed Medlin" <ed (AT) edmedlin (DOT) com> wrote in message news:b75Uh.14802$JZ3.13154 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... | | "Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed (AT) example (DOT) com> wrote in message | news:ZtTTh.21125$PL.9081 (AT) newsread4 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net... | > Early temperatures from my E4300 / EVGA 680i / EVGA 8800 GTS / Patriot | > PC8500 SLI ready memory: | | > After 10 minutes of the nTune stress test (all components) the end | > temperatures were | > CPU: 37 C | > System: 34 C | > GPU: 50 C. | | > The side of the case was open and the air temperature was 23 C. | | > All settings were stock. Memory settings (from the SPD) were 1066 MHz bus | > speed and 2.3 volts. | > Voltage: 2.3 VDC. | | > At this point I have no idea what the stress test includes, and how fan | > speed control works - in the BIOS I had set the fan speeds to manual and | > to | > 100%, but the CPU fan speed at the end of the 10 minute stress test was | > more | > than twice the CPU fan speed reported by the BIOS with the 100% manual | > setting. | | > At the moment only Windows XP Pro (without service packs and updates) plus | > nVidia drivers are installed. | | > Now I need to read enough to understand how to use the stress test and | > interpret the results. | | > Phil Weldon | | | Great temps. With a good case and good airflow, you might even see a | decrease when you close it up. I am not familiar with nTune's stress test, | but you cannot beat those temps if it stressing the CPU. How much noise are | you hearing with the stock fan and the video card fan? | | Ed | | |
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