Any one have opinions on which works better as a overclocking operating
system. And does it make a difference if you have AMD or Intel?

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:23:01 -0700, leadfoot wrote:

CPU shouldn't matter, but I've heard Vista is a a resource hog mainly to
do with all the DRM crap imbedded in it and running all the time eating up
cpu cycles. Personally I couldn't care less. I've never run MS on any of
my personal machines.

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It's a bit early to be thinking Vista. After a service pack or two, maybe.

It's slower than XP.
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:35:19 GMT, Wes Newell
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LOL,

Ugly thought: do you want companies you own stock in running Vista ?

Cuba Embraces Open-Source Software

By JOHN RICE, Associated Press Writer

Sunday, February 18, 2007

(02-18) 18:40 PST HAVANA, Cuba (AP) --


Cuba's communist government is trying to shake off the yoke of at
least one capitalist empire — Microsoft Corp. — by joining with
socialist Venezuela in converting its computers to open-source
software.

Both governments say they are trying to wean state agencies from
Microsoft's proprietary Windows to the open-source Linux operating
system, which is developed by a global community of programmers who
freely share their code.

"It's basically a problem of technological sovereignty, a problem of
ideology," said Hector Rodriguez, who oversees a Cuban university
department of 1,000 students dedicated to developing open-source
programs.

Other countries have tried similar moves. China, Brazil and Norway
have encouraged the development of Linux for a variety of reasons:
Microsoft's near-monopoly over operating systems, the high cost of
proprietary software and security problems.

Cuban officials, ever focused on U.S. threats, also see it as a
matter of national security.

Communications Minister Ramiro Valdes, an old comrade-in-arms of
President Fidel Castro, raised suspicions about Microsoft's
cooperation with U.S. military and intelligence agencies as he
opened a technology conference this week.

He called the world's information systems a "battlefield" where Cuba
is fighting against imperialism.

He also noted that Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates once described
copyright reformers — including people who want to do away with
proprietary software — as "some new modern-day sort of communists" —
which is a badge of honor from the Cuban perspective.

Microsoft did not return calls seeking comment. Cuba imports many
computer preloaded with Windows and also purchases software in third
countries such as China, Mexico or Panama.

Valdes is a hard-liner who favors uniforms and military haircuts,
but the biggest splash at the conference was made by a paunchy,
wild-haired man in a T-shirt: Richard Stallman, whose Free Software
Foundation created the license used by many open-source programs,
including Linux.

Middle-aged communist bureaucrats and ponytailed young Cuban
programmers applauded as the computer scientist from the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology insisted that copyright laws
violate basic morality; he compared them to laws that would threaten
people with jail for sharing or modifying kitchen recipes.

Stallman also warned that proprietary software is a security threat
because without being able to examine the code, users can't know
what it's doing or what "backdoor" holes developers might have left
open for future entry. "A private program is never trustworthy," he
said.

Cuba also has trouble keeping proprietary software current. Its
sluggish satellite link to the outside world makes downloads of
updates agonizingly slow. And U.S. companies, apparently worried
about American laws restricting trade with Cuba, are increasingly
blocking downloads to the island.

Cubans try to get around the problem by putting software updates on
a server located on the island. But many computers wind up unpatched
and vulnerable.

Cuba's Cabinet also has urged a shift from proprietary software. The
customs service has gone to Linux and the ministries of culture,
higher education and communications are planning to do so, Rodriguez
said.

And students in his own department are cooking up a version of Linux
called Nova, based on Gentoo distribution of the operating system.
The ministry of higher education is developing its own.

Rodriguez's department accounts for 1,000 of the 10,000 students
within the University of Information Sciences, a five-year-old
school that tries to combine software development with education.

Cuba is also training tens of thousands of other software and
hardware engineers across the country, though few have computers at
home. Most Cubans have to depend on the slow links at government
internet cafes or schools.

Rodriguez shied away from saying how long it would take for Cuba to
get most of its systems on Linux: "It would be tough for me to say
that we would migrate half the public administration in three
years."

But he said Linux use was growing rapidly.

"Two years ago, the Cuban free-software community did not number
more than 600 people ... In the last two years, that number has gone
well beyond 3,000 users of free software and its a figure that is
growing exponentially."

Even so, most of the computers at this week's technology conference
showed the red, green, blue and yellow Windows start button in the
bottom left-hand corner of their screens.

And the start of the open-source sessions was delayed as organizers
fiddled with the computer running their projector. The conference
room screen had been displaying the words "Windows XP."

"Ed Light" <nobody (AT) nobody (DOT) there> wrote

That's interesting. I upgraded XP on my laptop right after it came out and
it runs significantly faster. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

My laptop:

Gateway 6421
AMD Turion 64 ML-32
1 GB RAM
100 GB HD
ATI 200M integrated graphics (it runs Aero and Flip 3d just fine)
Vista Home Premium Upgrade 32 bit (from XP Media Center)

I put it on my other home machine:
AMD 64 X2 4200
2 GB RAM
250 GB Sata Drive
ATI 2006 All-In-Wonder
Vista Home Premium OEM 32 bit

Runs great on that one too. The only driver problem I had was with the AIWs
capture but a quick Google fixed that.

I just got 2 more licenses from Newegg and am upgrading my wife and
daughter's computers.

I like it. It hasn't crashed once. Every program I use runs well on it.
It shows 50% RAM usage base but I can run alot of stuff on it before it
budges much above that mark.

Like I said, guess I got lucky but I like like it much better than XP.

Art

"Ed Light" <nobody (AT) nobody (DOT) there> wrote

Another bunch of tests to ponder:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2096940,00.asp

"Bob" <luna5nospam (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote

The benchmarks are great information but what I was wondering was which OS
provides the highest stable overclock. i.e which one has the highest FSB

"Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed (AT) example (DOT) com> wrote


So I can't have dual boot 200FSB stock nForce4 system where WinXP is
Ptime95 stable at 265FSB and a Vista that is Prime95 stable at 255FSB???

You sure about that?

"leadfoot" <spammersuck (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote

boot. Phil is correct in the fact that the OS has nothing to do with your
fsb speeds. Stability of the OS might be a different matter at OC'd speeds.
I haven't had enough time with Vista to really give it a good run-through
when overclocking to know if it is more or less stable than XP. Like Phil
said, memory used and how it is accessed can make a huge difference in OS
stability when hardware is overclocked (or not for that matter). Your best
bet is to get as high as you can and still be stable in both OSs and leave
it at that.

Ed

"ED" <ed (AT) NOSPAMedmedlin (DOT) com> wrote

I'm glad someone figured out what I was looking for. I'm not a newcomer to
overclocking but I haven't posted here for a while. I seem to recall there
was some controversy over XP over win98 as an overclocking system when XP
came out so I though that the OS COULD have an impact on FSB stability. My
guess was that XP would be better due to all the resources being used by
Vista but I would thing that a few people have done OC in both OS and might
have an opinion by now.