On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:30:59 GMT, Bob Myers wrote:


No, I'm going retro and starting up a factory to make CRT monitors for
gmaer's. Why would I build LCD's when I think they are inferior for my
usage?

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:33:49 GMT, Bob Myers wrote:

No it's not, look it up if you don't believe me. Big problem for public
display LCD's too. As I said, I had an LCD with burn in and it was an
overdrive monitor too. You people that make these LCD's even bother to test
them over extended time? I know the manufacturer's are aware of this issue
because some won't warranty the LCD from it. You can look that up too if
you don't believe me.

On 10 Feb 2007 11:41:05 -0800, rjn wrote:


Yea, that is what I was talking about and not the image itself. I got lines
down my LCD from using a 4:3 window instead of full screen and they
wouldn'nt go away no matter what I tired to get rid of them. I also had
what you describe from the sides of the PIP window but that would go away
after it not dispalying for a few minutes. If you diplayed the PIP window
for months though it would be permemently burn into the screen. I can't
stand 4:3 content stretched to 16:9 so won't even buy an HDTV LCD now
because of my esperience with the last one. Thing is this could happen on
plasma and crt so what am I to do? Now I just watch TV on my 4:3 computer
monitor. I have a friend with a 16:9 plasma and he watches all 4:3 content
stretched to full screen since he saw what happend to my LCD. Stretching
the image looks like utter crap. HDTV is fine for 16:9 content but 4:3 is
horrible on them and most of the content is still 4:3 and lots of it always
will be.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:12:40 GMT, Bob Myers wrote:


It wasn't mild in my case, it became a permanent issue.

Pipboy wrote:

Hmm... But if the "over" drive is never greater than full-white or
full-black, how could it hurt anything?

"Pipboy" <no (AT) email (DOT) invalid> wrote

Where, exactly, do you think the information that one would
"look up" is going to come from? Handed down by the Display
Gods on Mt.Sinai?

You made the claim that "burn-in" and overdrive are related, i.e,
that overdrive CAUSES burn-in. That's flat wrong, and
anyone who understands the operating principles of both LCDs
themselves and the "overdrive" driving method can tell you why.

That doesn't say that there's no such thing as "burn-in" - just
that you're wrong about what causes it.

Did it have a black case? Maybe THAT causes burn-in!

Bob M.

rjn wrote:


actually, my very recent experience with both
LCD (decent 20" 1600x1200 Samsung 204B), and
19" Philips CRT (109B6) and 22" Philips CRT
(202P7) (both shadow mask CRTs) is that CRT
is still better for everyday applications,
let alone "critical applications"



that i can believe.



meaning less weight and less power?

agreed

but even the miserable CRTs that are left
are still better than the best recent LCDs

bill

"willbill" <trek (AT) worldwide (DOT) net> wrote

Again, it depends entirely on just what you mean by "better."
Not everyone has the exact same set of criteria.

Actually, I tend to doubt that we are going to see
significant inroads into the market share currently held
by LCDs by either of those technologies, at least in the
large-screen direct-view (TV and monitor) markets for
the foreseeable future. There are a number of reasons
for this that I won't bore anyone with here - you can
find out more from a good variety of sources.

Bob M.

Bob Myers wrote:



bob, get real

with regard to my 22" Philips CRT 202P7,
better means that i can run it at much
higher res than 1600x1200 with 75Hz refresh.
my 20" flatscreen 204B maxes out at 1600x1200

with regard to my 19" Philips CRT 109B6, it
runs better than my flatscreen 204B at 1600x1200
(which is the best of the 204B, lower freqs
are somewhat more fuzzy for the 204B, and
clearly more strongly favor the CRT 109B6)

i'm only left wondering why you were such
a clear flatscreen fan boy 3+ years ago,
not to mention why you clearly continue
to be a flatscreen fan boy now





then there is a continuing market
for PC CRT monitors; miserable as the
current CRT dregs are, the remaining
CRTs are still clearly better than
current LCD flatscreen

bill

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:22:18 -0600, chrisv wrote:


I don't know. I just know that a tech article I read about burn in on LCD
said LCD's with overdrive technology are more pronet to burn in. They have
inferior image quality too. I wish I could find the article(s) I read but
it was some time ago and it will take me ages to find them again. There are
numerous article sout there about burn in issues on LCD though.