disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says

#11

On 3 May, 00:42, "Beemer Biker" <jstate... (AT) swri (DOT) edu> wrote:

Quote:

Got XP Pro computer in from son.
[snip]

"from son" = "has had heaven knows what software running on it". The
machine might be trojaned with some bot serving data.

Quote:

Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade to vista
home premium.

I'd use something like dban to wipe the drive. Then I'd check the
HPA, and use something to wipe that too. Then I'd use dban again.
Finally, I'd re-install the OS, from a clean source.

#12

"Arno Wagner" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

Previously Bob Willard <BobwBSGS (AT) trashthis (DOT) comcast.net> wrote:
Arno Wagner wrote:

Disk space is organized in clusters, for example 4kB in size. The
unused space in tha last cluster is lost in most filesystems, since it
is not too effective and difficult to use it. In fact the only one I
know that does not loose it is RaiserFS.

With larger partitions, the clusters get larger. It is one reason to
partition disks. Now a 149GB single partition set-up would have 64kB
cluster size. 20GB of lost space on average happen with 625'000
files.

That huge cluster size would only occur if the HD is formated with FAT32,
which is unlikely. With the NTFS filesystem (far more likely with any
PC that shipped with XP PRO), the cluster size would still be 4KB, so
20GB of missing space would mean roughly 10,000,000 files. Nah.

Hmm.

I told you before that you should do something about that humming in
your head. It's not healthy.

Quote:

Seems I found incorrect information on the web....

That cobweb that you take for your brain, babblebot?
Maybe the wind was blowing through it, causing that hum.

Quote:

Arno

#13

Previously Jim P Sharma <jps (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Arno Wagner <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote:
Previously Michael Cecil <macecil (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker"
jstateson (AT) swri (DOT) edu> wrote:

Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on.
Properties says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of 149.
That comes to 40gb of stuff. I cannot account for it.
Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive shows only 18gb actual in
files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn directory that I
cant explorer .

I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it down
to the above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted for
files or "dark matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this
uncompressed 149gb SATA drive. Got rid of that temp directory in
"local settings" . There are 300mb of office setup files that I
dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file and the System
Volumn directory that I cant access.

Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade
to vista home premium.

That System Volume Information folder contains all the Restore Point
information. It can take up a lot of space. You can either add your
account to the security profile for that folder so you can see how
much is in there, or just disable System Restore and it will purge
the folder.

I wouldn't install Vista however. It's too clunky and slow. Maybe
if there were some kickass program that would only run under Vista,
but even then I'd think twice.

Good advice. Frankly I don't see efven many games running
significanlty better with Vista. The only ones will be these actually
being paid for by Microsoft. HALO 2 comes to mind. However I found
HALO repertitive and boring rnough after a reasonable start, that I
stopped playing it after seeing the 500th reandomly generated room.
To likely HALO 2 is a waste of time.

All the other games want to target a large market share. Hopefully
this DX10 nonsense will make even more game companies move to OpenGL,
were they are not anymore dependent on the MS fad of the year
and can easily port their stuff to other platforms.

As to Vista in general, it seems the MS business model of
dragging out upgrading Windows to the standards of the
other OSes around has finally run its course with XP. Vista
is either unsuitable for an application or not worth the
upgrade from XP. A pity MS can drop selling XP.

The same mindless claim was made when XP showed up replacing 2K too.

Have a look at the details. Some are similar, but many are not.

Arno

#14

"Arno Wagner" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

With larger partitions, the clusters get larger. It is one reason to
partition disks. Now a 149GB single partition set-up would have 64kB
cluster size. 20GB of lost space on average happen with 625'000
files.

Don't know about your disks, but my 750 GB disk has 4 KB clusters. This is
default for NTFS volumes up to 2 TB.

#15

Previously Alexander Grigoriev <alegr (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

"Arno Wagner" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:59sso3F2lo8l8U1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net...

With larger partitions, the clusters get larger. It is one reason to
partition disks. Now a 149GB single partition set-up would have 64kB
cluster size. 20GB of lost space on average happen with 625'000
files.

Don't know about your disks, but my 750 GB disk has 4 KB clusters. This is
default for NTFS volumes up to 2 TB.

I don't use NTFS. Too unstable and not interoperable. I looked this
up on the web, but aparently got wrong information.

Arno

#16

Arno Wagner <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

Previously Jim P Sharma <jps (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
Arno Wagner <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote:
Previously Michael Cecil <macecil (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker"
jstateson (AT) swri (DOT) edu> wrote:

Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on.
Properties says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of
149. That comes to 40gb of stuff. I cannot account for it.
Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive shows only 18gb actual in
files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn directory that I
cant explorer .

I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it
down to the above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted
for files or "dark matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this
uncompressed 149gb SATA drive. Got rid of that temp directory in
"local settings" . There are 300mb of office setup files that I
dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file and the System
Volumn directory that I cant access.

Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff
is? Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we
upgrade to vista home premium.

That System Volume Information folder contains all the Restore
Point information. It can take up a lot of space. You can either
add your account to the security profile for that folder so you
can see how much is in there, or just disable System Restore and
it will purge the folder.

I wouldn't install Vista however. It's too clunky and slow. Maybe
if there were some kickass program that would only run under Vista,
but even then I'd think twice.

Good advice. Frankly I don't see efven many games running
significanlty better with Vista. The only ones will be these
actually being paid for by Microsoft. HALO 2 comes to mind. However
I found HALO repertitive and boring rnough after a reasonable
start, that I stopped playing it after seeing the 500th reandomly
generated room. To likely HALO 2 is a waste of time.

All the other games want to target a large market share. Hopefully
this DX10 nonsense will make even more game companies move to
OpenGL, were they are not anymore dependent on the MS fad of the
year
and can easily port their stuff to other platforms.

As to Vista in general, it seems the MS business model of
dragging out upgrading Windows to the standards of the
other OSes around has finally run its course with XP. Vista
is either unsuitable for an application or not worth the
upgrade from XP. A pity MS can drop selling XP.

The same mindless claim was made when XP showed up replacing 2K too.

Have a look at the details. Some are similar, but many are not.

Irrelevant to whether the same mindless claim was made when XP showed up replacing 2K too.

#17

Previously Jim P Sharma <jps (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Arno Wagner <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote:
Previously Jim P Sharma <jps (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
Arno Wagner <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote:
Previously Michael Cecil <macecil (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker"
jstateson (AT) swri (DOT) edu> wrote:

Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on.
Properties says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of
149. That comes to 40gb of stuff. I cannot account for it.
Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive shows only 18gb actual in
files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn directory that I
cant explorer .

I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it
down to the above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted
for files or "dark matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this
uncompressed 149gb SATA drive. Got rid of that temp directory in
"local settings" . There are 300mb of office setup files that I
dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file and the System
Volumn directory that I cant access.

Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff
is? Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we
upgrade to vista home premium.

That System Volume Information folder contains all the Restore
Point information. It can take up a lot of space. You can either
add your account to the security profile for that folder so you
can see how much is in there, or just disable System Restore and
it will purge the folder.

I wouldn't install Vista however. It's too clunky and slow. Maybe
if there were some kickass program that would only run under Vista,
but even then I'd think twice.

Good advice. Frankly I don't see efven many games running
significanlty better with Vista. The only ones will be these
actually being paid for by Microsoft. HALO 2 comes to mind. However
I found HALO repertitive and boring rnough after a reasonable
start, that I stopped playing it after seeing the 500th reandomly
generated room. To likely HALO 2 is a waste of time.

All the other games want to target a large market share. Hopefully
this DX10 nonsense will make even more game companies move to
OpenGL, were they are not anymore dependent on the MS fad of the
year
and can easily port their stuff to other platforms.

As to Vista in general, it seems the MS business model of
dragging out upgrading Windows to the standards of the
other OSes around has finally run its course with XP. Vista
is either unsuitable for an application or not worth the
upgrade from XP. A pity MS can drop selling XP.

The same mindless claim was made when XP showed up replacing 2K too.

Have a look at the details. Some are similar, but many are not.

Irrelevant to whether the same mindless claim was made when XP
showed up replacing 2K too.

Look up the semantics of ''irrelevant''. You seem not to understand
it.

#18

"Arno Wagner" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

Previously Alexander Grigoriev <alegr (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

Don't know about your disks, but my 750 GB disk has 4 KB clusters. This
is
default for NTFS volumes up to 2 TB.

I don't use NTFS. Too unstable and not interoperable. I looked this
up on the web, but aparently got wrong information.

Arno

Never had any stability problems with NTFS. Even with unstable memory. Its
transactional design helps, unlike FAT-based systems which are too easy to
corrupt.

#19

Arno Wagner <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

Previously Jim P Sharma <jps (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
Arno Wagner <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote:
Previously Jim P Sharma <jps (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
Arno Wagner <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote:
Previously Michael Cecil <macecil (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker"
jstateson (AT) swri (DOT) edu> wrote:

Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on.
Properties says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of
149. That comes to 40gb of stuff. I cannot account for it.
Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive shows only 18gb actual in
files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn directory
that I cant explorer .

I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it
down to the above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted
for files or "dark matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this
uncompressed 149gb SATA drive. Got rid of that temp directory in
"local settings" . There are 300mb of office setup files that I
dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file and the System
Volumn directory that I cant access.

Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff
is? Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we
upgrade to vista home premium.

That System Volume Information folder contains all the Restore
Point information. It can take up a lot of space. You can
either add your account to the security profile for that folder
so you can see how much is in there, or just disable System
Restore and it will purge the folder.

I wouldn't install Vista however. It's too clunky and slow.
Maybe if there were some kickass program that would only run
under Vista, but even then I'd think twice.

Good advice. Frankly I don't see efven many games running
significanlty better with Vista. The only ones will be these
actually being paid for by Microsoft. HALO 2 comes to mind.
However I found HALO repertitive and boring rnough after a
reasonable start, that I stopped playing it after seeing the
500th reandomly generated room. To likely HALO 2 is a waste of
time.

All the other games want to target a large market share. Hopefully
this DX10 nonsense will make even more game companies move to
OpenGL, were they are not anymore dependent on the MS fad of the
year
and can easily port their stuff to other platforms.

As to Vista in general, it seems the MS business model of
dragging out upgrading Windows to the standards of the
other OSes around has finally run its course with XP. Vista
is either unsuitable for an application or not worth the
upgrade from XP. A pity MS can drop selling XP.

The same mindless claim was made when XP showed up replacing 2K
too.

Have a look at the details. Some are similar, but many are not.

Irrelevant to whether the same mindless claim was made when XP
showed up replacing 2K too.

Look up the semantics of ''irrelevant''.

I know what it means.

Quote:

You seem not to understand it.

Wrong, as always.

#20

"Arno Wagner" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

Previously Jim P Sharma <jps (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
Arno Wagner <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote:
Previously Jim P Sharma <jps (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
Arno Wagner <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote:
Previously Michael Cecil <macecil (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker" <jstateson (AT) swri (DOT) edu> wrote:

[snip]

Quote:

As to Vista in general, it seems the MS business model of
dragging out upgrading Windows to the standards of the
other OSes around has finally run its course with XP. Vista
is either unsuitable for an application or not worth the
upgrade from XP. A pity MS can drop selling XP.

The same mindless claim was made when XP showed up replacing 2K too.

Have a look at the details. Some are similar, but many are not.

Irrelevant to whether the same mindless claim was made when XP
showed up replacing 2K too.

Look up the semantics of ''irrelevant''. You seem not to understand it.

Hey babblebot, your killfile sprung a leak again.

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