Problem 80 wire cable for hard disk

#31

richard wrote:

Quote:

I'm amazed that you could even get the 40 wire cable to connect to the same
connector as the 80 wire. They're generally designed so that you CAN'T do
that.

Huh? Same 40-pin connector.

Quote:

Was the first drive you checked properly initialized and formatted per
maniufacturer's instructions with the provided disk? That's generally why
it isn't recognized. Did the other drives work elswhere?

Another Huh? moment.. the OP stated it didn't show in BIOS.

Quote:

In the device manager, do you get any errors?

If it ain't in the BIOS, it ain't gonna be in Device Mangler.

Another one for the RtS playbook of screwups...

#32

Desk Rabbit wrote

Quote:

Rod Speed wrote
Desk Rabbit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Desk Rabbit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Desk Rabbit wrote
ClueLess wrote

Here is a strange problem, when I connect my hard disk using the 80 wire cable my computer does not recognize
it.

It happened this way. I had to check another hard disk and so
I swapped the disks (IDE0) and found it was not recognized.
Then I connected the original hard disk and it was also not recognized.

I tried both the IDE0 and IDE1 channels with the same result.
I tried also other hard disks as well other 80 wire cables, still no go.

Then I found an old 40 wire cable and when connected with this, bingo, all the hard disks are recognized.

No pins broken, no hardware damage. All the cablea are in good condition. In fact the machine for years worked
with only the 80 wire cable.

How does this happen? This is just a banana motherboard and
the problem is in the bios stage itself. (bios says "Not installed")

If any of you can give me an explanation or a solution please do

And the hard drive make/model is?
And the motherboard make/model is?
And the BIOS version is?

All irrelevant given that the original hard drive isnt recognised anymore.

Any information is useful at this point.

Wrong again.

Without facts and information ant diagnostic is just pure guesswork.

And I told the OP how to diagnose the problem. No guesswork whatever involved.

It may be a known problem

Bet it isnt.

And it turns out that when he posted that info, it isnt.

Quote:

Could be, maybe not. 50-50 chance of guessing correctly.

Wrong again. There is a much lower proobability than that that your guess is correct.

100% success with correct information.

Not with the information you requested there wont be.

but without knowing what he's got the chances of finding out are less than zero.

Wrong again. The obvious thing to try is a another 80 wire cable and check that the drive connectors are being
plugged in the right way around if they arent polarised.

I strongly suggest you go back and read the OP's message fully

I know what the OP said.

before you dig yourself a deeper hole than you are already in.

You're the one desperately attempting to bullshit its way out if its predicament.

Translation: Shit! He's right, better launch an attack.

Real Translation: of your shit, I never ever could bullshit my way out of a wet paper bag.

Quote:

I'll draw your attention to the particular sentence which says:

"I tried also other hard disks as well other 80 wire cables, still no go."

Doesnt eliminate the possibility that the OP isnt putting the drive connector on the wrong way around with a non
polarised connector on the cable.

Indeed it doesn't but one can reasonable assume that he roughly knows what he is doing in terms of putting cables on
the right way round as the 40 pin cable works.

You dont even know where they are polarised and the 80 wire cable connectors arent.

Quote:

Please feel free to carry on clutching at random straws, you might hit on a solution by sheer luck eventually ;-)

You never did. He posted the info you wanted and it turned out that it didnt help.

Funny that.

Hilarious, actually.

Have fun bullshitting your way out of that.

#33

"nobody >" <usenetharvested (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

richard wrote:

I'm amazed that you could even get the 40 wire cable to connect to the
same
connector as the 80 wire. They're generally designed so that you CAN'T do
that.

Huh? Same 40-pin connector.

Was the first drive you checked properly initialized and formatted per
maniufacturer's instructions with the provided disk? That's generally why
it isn't recognized. Did the other drives work elswhere?

Another Huh? moment.. the OP stated it didn't show in BIOS.

In the device manager, do you get any errors?

If it ain't in the BIOS, it ain't gonna be in Device Mangler.

Another one for the RtS playbook of screwups...

I'm waiting for him to come back calling everyone idiots. He usually has at
least one swipe before going poof and disappearing.

#34

Rod Speed wrote:

Quote:

Irrelevant to the fact that your original is just plain wrong.

Yes, we've seen that you are trying to deny reality regarding that some
80-wire cables have pin 28 attached and some do not.

Quote:

And fuck all 80 wire cables are like that anyway.

Are like what? Some have pin 28 attached, others don't. So "like that"
means what? That you don't know until you test?

Quote:

And the OP said that more than one 80 wire cable had been tried.

Not at the time that I posted. The OP said they switched from the 80-wire
cable to a 40-wire cable, not that another 80-wire cable had been tested.
Reread the *original* post which is to what I replied. Sorry, but my
crystal ball is in the shop so I couldn't see that the OP would later say.

#35

Rocky wrote:

Quote:

Get a clue. Real men don't use PATA cables anymore! Time for a new
computer.

Real men don't care what other men think.

#36

On Mar 1, 7:20*pm, "Rocky" <wook... (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

Get a clue. *Real men don't use PATA cables anymore! *Time for a new
computer.

That makes the third news server this year that will not let you post
with my e-mail address again.

http://Jeff.on.JusticeGoneWild.com

Rocky

#37

On 02/03/2010 05:48, Rod Speed wrote:

Quote:

Desk Rabbit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Desk Rabbit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Desk Rabbit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Desk Rabbit wrote
ClueLess wrote

Here is a strange problem, when I connect my hard disk using the 80 wire cable my computer does not recognize
it.

It happened this way. I had to check another hard disk and so
I swapped the disks (IDE0) and found it was not recognized.
Then I connected the original hard disk and it was also not recognized.

I tried both the IDE0 and IDE1 channels with the same result.
I tried also other hard disks as well other 80 wire cables, still no go.

Then I found an old 40 wire cable and when connected with this, bingo, all the hard disks are recognized.

No pins broken, no hardware damage. All the cablea are in good condition. In fact the machine for years worked
with only the 80 wire cable.

How does this happen? This is just a banana motherboard and
the problem is in the bios stage itself. (bios says "Not installed")

If any of you can give me an explanation or a solution please do

And the hard drive make/model is?
And the motherboard make/model is?
And the BIOS version is?

All irrelevant given that the original hard drive isnt recognised anymore.

Any information is useful at this point.

Wrong again.

Without facts and information ant diagnostic is just pure guesswork.

And I told the OP how to diagnose the problem. No guesswork whatever involved.

It may be a known problem

Bet it isnt.

And it turns out that when he posted that info, it isnt.

Could be, maybe not. 50-50 chance of guessing correctly.

Wrong again. There is a much lower proobability than that that your guess is correct.

100% success with correct information.

Not with the information you requested there wont be.

but without knowing what he's got the chances of finding out are less than zero.

Wrong again. The obvious thing to try is a another 80 wire cable and check that the drive connectors are being
plugged in the right way around if they arent polarised.

I strongly suggest you go back and read the OP's message fully

I know what the OP said.

before you dig yourself a deeper hole than you are already in.

You're the one desperately attempting to bullshit its way out if its predicament.

Translation: Shit! He's right, better launch an attack.

Real Translation: of your shit, I never ever could bullshit my way out of a wet paper bag.

I'll draw your attention to the particular sentence which says:

"I tried also other hard disks as well other 80 wire cables, still no go."

Doesnt eliminate the possibility that the OP isnt putting the drive connector on the wrong way around with a non
polarised connector on the cable.

Indeed it doesn't but one can reasonable assume that he roughly knows what he is doing in terms of putting cables on
the right way round as the 40 pin cable works.

You dont even know where they are polarised and the 80 wire cable connectors arent.

Please feel free to carry on clutching at random straws, you might hit on a solution by sheer luck eventually ;-)

You never did. He posted the info you wanted and it turned out that it didnt help.

Funny that.

Hilarious that another poster was able to post the correct jumper
settings for the drive because now we know what the OP has.

Quote:

Hilarious, actually.

Have fun bullshitting your way out of that.

Have fun repeatedly swapping cables and wibbling about which way round

they should go. It's really quite amusing to watch.

#38

VanguardLH wrote

Quote:

Rod Speed wrote

Irrelevant to the fact that your original is just plain wrong.

Yes, we've seen that you are trying to deny reality regarding
that some 80-wire cables have pin 28 attached and some do not.

Everyone can see you are lying, as always.

Quote:

And fuck all 80 wire cables are like that anyway.

Are like what? Some have pin 28 attached, others don't.

Fuck all are not cable select cables, fool.

Quote:

So "like that" means what? That you don't know until you test?

And the OP said that more than one 80 wire cable had been tried.

Not at the time that I posted.

Another lie. The OP said that in the original post, liar.

Quote:

The OP said they switched from the 80-wire cable to a 40-wire
cable, not that another 80-wire cable had been tested.

Another lie. The original post says

Quote:

Here is a strange problem, when I connect my hard disk
using the 80 wire cable my computer does not recognize it.

It happened this way. I had to check another hard disk and so
I swapped the disks (IDE0) and found it was not recognized.
Then I connected the original hard disk and it was also not
recognized. I tried both the IDE0 and IDE1 channels with the
same result. I tried also other hard disks as well other 80
wire cables, still no go.

There it is, you're too stupid to have even noticed.

Quote:

Reread the *original* post which is to what I replied.

Done that. You lie.

Quote:

Sorry, but my crystal ball is in the shop so I couldn't see that the OP would later say.

Thats what the OP said in the original post, you pathetic excuse for a lying bullshit artist.

#39

Meat Plow wrote

Quote:

ClueLess <clueless (AT) wilderness (DOT) org.invalid>wrote
ClueLess <clueless (AT) wilderness (DOT) org.invalid> wrote

Here is a strange problem, when I connect my hard disk
using the 80 wire cable my computer does not recognize it.

Here are some clarifications:

Mercury 845GL mobo
Only one drive checked at a time.
The drives checked are all Seagate 80 gb
The original hard disk was working for years with the 80 conductor
cable, correctly mounted - blue end on mobo, hard drive at the end,
set as master.

Only after I checked with another similar hard disk that the problem started.

I have tried several 80 conductor cables and none work.

All the drives are recognized without exception when using the 40 conductor cable.

I have been using computers since CP/M days and assemble
my own when required but this has got me stumped.

I am very happy at the enthusiastic response from
so many of you but the explanation still eludes :-(

Have you tried a new, unopened package 80 wire cable? I can't imagine
an IDE controller knowing the difference between 40 and 80 wires

They do actually. The two cables look different to the motherboard.

Quote:

unless there is something wrong with it in that it
is sensitive to a difference in cable impedence.

One of the pins on the motherboard connector is different.

Quote:

I would assume an 80 wire cable has a difference in impedence vs a 40 wire.

That effect isnt used.

#40

Desk Rabbit wrote

Quote:

Rod Speed wrote
Desk Rabbit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Desk Rabbit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Desk Rabbit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Desk Rabbit wrote
ClueLess wrote

Here is a strange problem, when I connect my hard disk using
the 80 wire cable my computer does not recognize it.

It happened this way. I had to check another hard disk and so
I swapped the disks (IDE0) and found it was not recognized.
Then I connected the original hard disk and it was also not recognized.

I tried both the IDE0 and IDE1 channels with the same result.
I tried also other hard disks as well other 80 wire cables, still no go.

Then I found an old 40 wire cable and when connected with this, bingo, all the hard disks are recognized.

No pins broken, no hardware damage. All the cablea are in
good condition. In fact the machine for years worked with
only the 80 wire cable.

How does this happen? This is just a banana motherboard and
the problem is in the bios stage itself. (bios says "Not installed")

If any of you can give me an explanation or a solution please do

And the hard drive make/model is?
And the motherboard make/model is?
And the BIOS version is?

All irrelevant given that the original hard drive isnt recognised anymore.

Any information is useful at this point.

Wrong again.

Without facts and information ant diagnostic is just pure guesswork.

And I told the OP how to diagnose the problem. No guesswork whatever involved.

It may be a known problem

Bet it isnt.

And it turns out that when he posted that info, it isnt.

Could be, maybe not. 50-50 chance of guessing correctly.

Wrong again. There is a much lower proobability than that that your guess is correct.

100% success with correct information.

Not with the information you requested there wont be.

but without knowing what he's got the chances of finding out are less than zero.

Wrong again. The obvious thing to try is a another 80 wire cable and check that the drive connectors are being
plugged in the right way around if they arent polarised.

I strongly suggest you go back and read the OP's message fully

I know what the OP said.

before you dig yourself a deeper hole than you are already in.

You're the one desperately attempting to bullshit its way out of its predicament.

Translation: Shit! He's right, better launch an attack.

Real Translation: of your shit, I never ever could bullshit my way out of a wet paper bag.

I'll draw your attention to the particular sentence which says:

"I tried also other hard disks as well other 80 wire cables, still no go."

Doesnt eliminate the possibility that the OP isnt putting the drive connector on the wrong way around with a non
polarised connector on the cable.

Indeed it doesn't but one can reasonable assume that he roughly knows what he is doing in terms of putting cables on
the right way round as the 40 pin cable works.

You dont even know where they are polarised and the 80 wire cable connectors arent.

Please feel free to carry on clutching at random straws, you might hit on a solution by sheer luck eventually ;-)

You never did. He posted the info you wanted and it turned out that it didnt help.

Funny that.

Hilarious that another poster was able to post the correct jumper
settings for the drive because now we know what the OP has.

The OP could have checked that for itself if told to do that without knowing what drive it was.

Quote:

Hilarious, actually.

Have fun bullshitting your way out of that.

Have fun repeatedly swapping cables and wibbling about which way round they should go. It's really quite amusing to
watch.

Like I said, you never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

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