In article <cOkvd.255348$R05.235065@attbi_s53>, devnull (AT) weink (DOT) com (T_S)
wrote:

Nice summation. Thanks.

Jon.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:01:44 GMT, RE: Re: Can you use PIGMENTED inks
in a R200 by either refilling or continuous "T_S" <devnull (AT) weink (DOT) com>
wrote:

Hey, thanks for the primer!

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Thank you for the lesson in ink formulation and terminology. It is
unfortunate that there is no quick and dirty but accurate way to
describe these differing ink formulations. It could get tedious to type
"pigment colorant in an aqueous base" every time, although I understand
it is descriptively accurate. I suppose the word "base" should be
dropped in our references to inkjet inks, since most standard consumer
inkjet printers use an aqueous, or principally water base. So, it
appears perhaps the best quick reference would be to speak of "pigment
inks", "dye inks", and "hybrid inks", acknowledging that in most cases
these would all be in an aqueous base for the kind of purposes we have
in mind.

Art

T_S wrote:

R200/R300 and R800 are all pigment base, which means you need to
"protect" your print head carefully.

Pigmented inks does not give you the "better" quality, but "Epson's
Durabrite" does - it is pigment ink too, but not as regular pigment.

If you want to switch between dye and pigment ink by using CIS,
here is a very good company providing CIS kit which allows you to print
with pigment and dye ink.
http://www.InkRepublic.com

Their system does great job.

Thank you,

The R200/R300 do not use pigment inks.

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<trendyinc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

On 16 Dec 2004 11:51:43 -0800, trendyinc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote:


The EPSON R200 & R300 both use Epson photo dye inks which are not
pigmented inks.

The EPSON R800, 2200, 4000, 7600 & 9600 all use UltraChrome ink which
is pigmented.

And the C80, C82, C84, C86, C64 & C66 use DuraBrite ink which is also
pigmented.

(There are pro and con for it, but that's besides the point.)

But that does not mean they "must" use pigment ink.

R200, R300 are using dye ink, they can use pigment too.
R800, 2200 ..etc are UltraChrome, pigment ink, of course they can use
dye too. But that may defeat the purpose of using such a great printer
- R800.

C80, C82, C84, C86, C64 & C66 use DuraBrite ink, again pigment too.

If you would like to use pigment ink with your R200, you "MUST" use
some sort of "Spongeless" bulk ink system for sure.

Pigment ink can easily get clogged hence if your pigment ink sit in
your sponged cartridge longer than some period of time - lets say 5
months, your cartridge is no longer suitable for printing ,and it can
easily clog your nozzle.

I quickly review InkRepublic.com's spongeless cis, it makes sense if
you would like to use pigment ink and their cis along with your R200.





Tom Corbin wrote:

I have no association with Ink Republic, and I honestly don't know if
their CIS is better than others, in price, design, or customer service,
but I have been noticing an odd set of coincidences or late.

In this newsgroup, several Photoshop groups, the Epson list and others,
there has been a very sudden rash of unusually positive comments about
this company's product line, and the postings all have several
similarities in their grammatical structure, and the errors within them.

In other words, I think I smell a rat, and maybe several.

So, I am asking you outright, "trendyinc" what is your association with
InkRepublic? Family? Business relation? Know the people involved
personally?

All the "people" (and the email addresses are mostly different) who have
suddenly been posting about InkRepublic's products seem to make similar
factual errors, as an example, the R200 and R300 printers are stated as
using pigment inks. Well, they do not. They use dye colorants.
Durabrite is a pigment colorant ink, as is the Ultrachrome ink set, and
it is used in a number of Epson printers (numerous C and CX series, the
2000P, 2100/2200 the R800). Most Epson printers are/were use dye
colorant inks.

I certainly don't mind when an individual gives a legitimate testimony,
or suggests a product line, as I think the exchange of this type of
information can be helpful. However, I don't like being deceived, or
being taken for a dupe. Although I do not have any evidence, other than
intuition, to base my feelings on (yet), I suggest unless a person can
prove to their satisfaction otherwise, that much, if not all of the
recent commentary regarding InkRepublic's inks and CIS products are
coming from questionable sources, and I further suggest people not base
their decisions on this information.

I have no personal stake in ANY ink, CIS, printer or other system,
personal or financial. I just sense there may be something going on
here that is not fully above board.

If someone can show otherwise, please correct me.

Art


trendyinc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote:

"Arthur Entlich" <artistic (AT) telus (DOT) net> wrote

I agree with you Art. There are now about three or four folks with very
similar style, all posting through google with yahoo or google emails and
hawking this company. It sure looks like a fraud to me.

Regards,
Bob Headrick

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:01:44 GMT, "T_S" <devnull (AT) weink (DOT) com> wrote:

But what I'm wondering is how I can get a window sticker for my car
to not fade. The black is especially bad about fading to an ugly
brown in only a few weeks.

Do they make a ultraviolet protection spray that would stop the
fading?

PJ