Non-Epson inks- a further reply to measekite.

Measekite in an earlier post implied I was dishonest, didn't really know
what I was doing, and working for an ink reseller when I posted that the
non-Epson inks I was using were better for me than the OEM Epson inks. I
wrote that these inks never clogged my Epson 1270 with its CIS system,
while the OEM inks often did, that they were an excellent color match
for the OEM inks, and that they were more fade resistant in my
accelerated fade tests than the OEM inks. I said I bought them from the
ink manufacturer directly, not a reseller, but I couldn't recall the
name of the company. He implied of course I couldn't, because I was
making this up. I have now looked up the company, and it is
Repeat-O-Type. Here is the URL for their bulk inkjet ink page:

http://www.repeatotype.com/bulk.html

They have been in business since 1931 and are one of the pioneer
developers of inkjet ink. The specifically formulate the ink for each
printer. Furthermore, they guarantee their ink. If you can show that it
damaged your printer, they will pay to have it repaired.

Enough of this subject for me!

Joe

Joseph Miller wrote:

Measekite in an earlier post implied I was dishonest, didn't really know
what I was doing, and working for an ink reseller when I posted that the
non-Epson inks I was using were better for me than the OEM Epson inks. I
wrote that these inks never clogged my Epson 1270 with its CIS system,
while the OEM inks often did, that they were an excellent color match
for the OEM inks, and that they were more fade resistant in my
accelerated fade tests than the OEM inks. I said I bought them from the
ink manufacturer directly, not a reseller, but I couldn't recall the
name of the company. He implied of course I couldn't, because I was
making this up. I have now looked up the company, and it is
Repeat-O-Type. Here is the URL for their bulk inkjet ink page:

http://www.repeatotype.com/bulk.html

They have been in business since 1931 and are one of the pioneer
developers of inkjet ink. The specifically formulate the ink for each
printer. Furthermore, they guarantee their ink. If you can show that it
damaged your printer, they will pay to have it repaired.

Enough of this subject for me!

Joe

Excellent info Joe, though I doubt that idiot will comprehend what
you've written if he bothers to read it.
He is of course, a known canon oem troll.
Thanks.
Frank

You said exactly the following:

FOR THE COMPANY:
"They have been in business since 1931..."
"...are one of the pioneer developers of inkjet ink."
"They specifically formulate the ink for each printer."
"Furthermore, they guarantee their ink."
"If you can show that it damaged your printer, they will pay to have it
repaired."

FOR THEIR INKS:
"...were better for me than the OEM Epson inks."
"...never clogged my Epson 1270 with its CIS system, while the OEM inks
often did,"
"...they were an excellent color match for the OEM inks,"
"...they were more fade resistant in my accelerated fade tests than the OEM
inks."

It seems to me as an advertisment than a normal user review. If I am wrong,
I would like to tell you, (I'm in inkjet refilling busines for some years),
trust me, there is no chance to find any aftermarket ink better than oem, in
ALL the above aspects simultaneously... At least when we talk about epson,
hp, canon, brother, roland, xerox, etc companies. Each one of the two
BIGGEST aftermarket inkjet ink manufacturers produce less than 2% of the ink
hp+epson+canon produce. And just for your information, repeatotype is not
one of them.


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"Joseph Miller" <miller (AT) ucolick (DOT) org> wrote

Measekite in an earlier post implied I was dishonest, didn't really know
what I was doing, and working for an ink reseller when I posted that the
non-Epson inks I was using were better for me than the OEM Epson inks. I
wrote that these inks never clogged my Epson 1270 with its CIS system,
while the OEM inks often did, that they were an excellent color match for
the OEM inks, and that they were more fade resistant in my accelerated
fade tests than the OEM inks. I said I bought them from the ink
manufacturer directly, not a reseller, but I couldn't recall the name of
the company. He implied of course I couldn't, because I was making this
up. I have now looked up the company, and it is Repeat-O-Type. Here is
the URL for their bulk inkjet ink page:

http://www.repeatotype.com/bulk.html

They have been in business since 1931 and are one of the pioneer
developers of inkjet ink. The specifically formulate the ink for each
printer. Furthermore, they guarantee their ink. If you can show that it
damaged your printer, they will pay to have it repaired.

Enough of this subject for me!

Joe

Yianni wrote:

You said exactly the following:

FOR THE COMPANY:
"They have been in business since 1931..."
"...are one of the pioneer developers of inkjet ink."
"They specifically formulate the ink for each printer."
"Furthermore, they guarantee their ink."
"If you can show that it damaged your printer, they will pay to have
it repaired."

FOR THEIR INKS:
"...were better for me than the OEM Epson inks."
"...never clogged my Epson 1270 with its CIS system, while the OEM
inks often did,"
"...they were an excellent color match for the OEM inks,"
"...they were more fade resistant in my accelerated fade tests than
the OEM inks."

It seems to me as an advertisment than a normal user review. If I am
wrong, I would like to tell you, (I'm in inkjet refilling busines for
some years), trust me, there is no chance to find any aftermarket ink
better than oem, in ALL the above aspects simultaneously... At least
when we talk about epson, hp, canon, brother, roland, xerox, etc
companies. Each one of the two BIGGEST aftermarket inkjet ink
manufacturers produce less than 2% of the ink hp+epson+canon produce.
And just for your information, repeatotype is not one of them.

And as of May that company no longer exists. And look at their :-D :-D
:-D website :-D :-D :-D what a joke when you compare it to Epson or Canon.

I'm sorry, Yanny, but that wasn't an advertisement. Maybe I am not a
normal user. I am a scientist who got extremely interested in inkjet
inks from a user standpoint, tracked down this outfit, and posted my
experience with their inks. I did lots of experiments, including
exposure to ozone enviroments, UV light, and high airflow. You can say
what you like, you can say I can't possibly be correct, but I have the
prints from more than two years of use to prove it. I just got tired of
measekite saying non-OEM inks are bad news. He is absolutely wrong in
the case I am talking about.

If you want one more detail, that does show this ink is not an exact
match, when I said they were an excellent color match, I should have
qualified that by adding "on most papers." On the original Epson PGPP
(now no longer made I believe)they gave a very slight color shift that I
easily corrected with the profile controls on my printer. On the other
papers I tried I did not need to alter the profile. You say there is no
chance ANY aftermarket ink can be as good as I have found it to be? Is
that a result of your tests and experience of ALL of them or just your
opinion? Have you tried this one? Just the fact that it never has
clogged is to me a major advance over Epson inks. Maybe you never heard
of the Epson 1270 printer and all the trouble people have had with it
clogging with Epson inks. There were many, many posts about that here
some years ago. Also, it's easy for me to see that the prints look just
as good- the same, in fact- with these inks and since I now have prints
over two years old made with both Epson inks and these, I am in a good
position to comment on fading and that old orange-shift problem. I have
absolutely no connection with the company. I have never talked to anyone
there, but just dealt with them on-line. Now I really am done posting on
this newsgroup. I've already wasted too much time.

Joe

Yianni wrote:

You said exactly the following:

FOR THE COMPANY:
"They have been in business since 1931..."
"...are one of the pioneer developers of inkjet ink."
"They specifically formulate the ink for each printer."
"Furthermore, they guarantee their ink."
"If you can show that it damaged your printer, they will pay to have it
repaired."

FOR THEIR INKS:
"...were better for me than the OEM Epson inks."
"...never clogged my Epson 1270 with its CIS system, while the OEM inks
often did,"
"...they were an excellent color match for the OEM inks,"
"...they were more fade resistant in my accelerated fade tests than the
OEM inks."

It seems to me as an advertisment than a normal user review. If I am
wrong, I would like to tell you, (I'm in inkjet refilling busines for
some years), trust me, there is no chance to find any aftermarket ink
better than oem, in ALL the above aspects simultaneously... At least
when we talk about epson, hp, canon, brother, roland, xerox, etc
companies. Each one of the two BIGGEST aftermarket inkjet ink
manufacturers produce less than 2% of the ink hp+epson+canon produce.
And just for your information, repeatotype is not one of them.

On Thu, 17 May 2007 15:30:22 -0700, Joseph Miller <miller (AT) ucolick (DOT) org>
wrote:

I'm sorry, Yanny, but that wasn't an advertisement. Maybe I am not a
normal user. I am a scientist who got extremely interested in inkjet
inks from a user standpoint, tracked down this outfit, and posted my
experience with their inks. I did lots of experiments, including
exposure to ozone enviroments, UV light, and high airflow. You can say
what you like, you can say I can't possibly be correct, but I have the
prints from more than two years of use to prove it. I just got tired of
measekite saying non-OEM inks are bad news. He is absolutely wrong in
the case I am talking about.

Have you tried their Canon inks? When I did 2 years ago I found them
to be a good color match, but just as poor in UV resistance as other
aftermarket inks.

I don't typically take sides on the issue of OEM versus 3rd party inks,
in that I recognize they often offer different features.

In general the number one benefit offered by 3rd party inks is price,
and that can be substantial.

However, several OEM inks have indeed been problem formulations. As
mentioned by the poster, Epson had a huge problem with a very rapidly
fading light cyan ink with ground level ozone. Epson Durabrite inks
have a major issue with their fast drying formulation causing high
levels of head clogs, and indeed replacement 3rd party inks (some dye
rather than pigment colorant) lower this risk considerably.

Some 3rd party inks may excel in an area important to the user over the
OEM versions. Colors may be brighter or different, flow characteristics
may be different, how they react with certain papers may be better.

If you read Joe's comments, he is quite careful to indicate he is
speaking of his own personal experiences, and that his mention of the
company brand is to offer some further veracity to his comments.
Obviously, he is not offering proven information about the company, he
is quoting their advertising, then again, as much as I like Wilhelm
Research, he is not testing the full 3rd party market, only certain
lower end products.

Joe is providing his opinion and his personal experience and that is
useful for others. I wouldn't be so quick to attack.

Art


Yianni wrote:

You said exactly the following:

FOR THE COMPANY:
"They have been in business since 1931..."
"...are one of the pioneer developers of inkjet ink."
"They specifically formulate the ink for each printer."
"Furthermore, they guarantee their ink."
"If you can show that it damaged your printer, they will pay to have it
repaired."

FOR THEIR INKS:
"...were better for me than the OEM Epson inks."
"...never clogged my Epson 1270 with its CIS system, while the OEM inks
often did,"
"...they were an excellent color match for the OEM inks,"
"...they were more fade resistant in my accelerated fade tests than the
OEM inks."

It seems to me as an advertisment than a normal user review. If I am
wrong, I would like to tell you, (I'm in inkjet refilling busines for
some years), trust me, there is no chance to find any aftermarket ink
better than oem, in ALL the above aspects simultaneously... At least
when we talk about epson, hp, canon, brother, roland, xerox, etc
companies. Each one of the two BIGGEST aftermarket inkjet ink
manufacturers produce less than 2% of the ink hp+epson+canon produce.
And just for your information, repeatotype is not one of them.

I like the truth. That's why I replied to the first post. There wasn't
reason to reply to measekite because his opinion is known here. I'm sorrow
because repeat-o-type closed.

--

Yianni

But... repeat-o-type was one of the first companies selling aftermarket
inkjet inks. The biggest in usa ten years ago. They said: "we sell ink in
pint, quart, gallon, and 5-gallon containers. Also in drums and tanker...


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9jir_2006 (AT) yahoo (DOT) gr
(Remove the number nine from my email address to send me email)



"measekite" <inkystinky (AT) oem (DOT) com> wrote

And as of May that company no longer exists. And look at their :-D :-D
:-D website :-D :-D :-D what a joke when you compare it to Epson or
Canon.

Most business do not make it when there products are not up to snuff.

Yianni wrote:

But... repeat-o-type was one of the first companies selling
aftermarket inkjet inks. The biggest in usa ten years ago. They said:
"we sell ink in pint, quart, gallon, and 5-gallon containers. Also in
drums and tanker...