Andrew McLean wrote:
Agreed; I'm in my 20th month of home refilling my iP5000, the one with
the smallest nozzles (1 pl) in the industry. Supposedly the most likely
to clog. But the various inks I have used and refilled with have all
behaved every bit as well as OEM inks (even the pigment black with its
particles). No clogging has ever occurred, and only very minor printing
jobs since late last year. So relative lack of use has had no effect.
Yes, "it takes time". The printer will have outlived its useful life by
then and I will have saved hundreds of dollars, enough to buy several
new printers. So who gives a shit about clogs that don't exist?

-Taliesyn

Ron P wrote:
I've got two iP4200's and two MP500's which have been refilled and/or
converted to use CIS systems.. In all cases the printer has been
refilled and only required me to accept responsibility for my actions as
is now normal for these printers.

One of the iP4200's has pumped out about the equivalent of 4 or 5 full
cartridge sets in ink so it doesn't seem to have any problems with it.

As Zakezuke pointed out though, this may change in the future if Canon
decide to tighten things up but I'd say that was unlikely as it'd leave
them open to litigation more than their current strategy.

"Martin" <ng (AT) websnail (DOT) net> wrote

What CIS system do you use for the IP4200?

Ron P wrote:

I actually created my own using the OEM cartridges and some parts I
sourced from a number of medical suppliers and an ink supplier in the
EU. All my kits are working nicely but I was among a few people who work
the unique problems the printer design provided.. So it was no walk in
the park.


Recently though I've see two offerings from two different companies that
I'd consider...

1. MIS Associates
http://www.inksupply.com/cfs_ip4200_new.cfm

2. Echostore.com
http://www.echostore.com/continuous-...em-ip4200.html


The MIS associates approach is very similar to my home brew effort but
has a number of subtle refinements so I'd hedge more towards them.. The
cost of the OEM cartridges they've used is being handed to you though so
it's more costly, as are most MIS solutions but I'd recommend their
solutions in a heartbeat.

The Echostore one is different in that it uses custom buffers (instead
of cartridges) and the same old continuous pressure reservoir which is
on many chinese CIS kits. It's out of my experience range but worth a
look if you have a set of OEM cartridges and chips available.. It's
cheaper but requires more work and the instructions are less
comprehensive so it's a bit more work.


I'm a bit of an MIS fan though so take my input with a pinch of salt..
Either way your mileage may vary so good luck and hope that helps..

Martin

"Martin" <ng (AT) websnail (DOT) net> wrote

Thank you for the information. I will check it out and make up my mind from
there. I wish that companies would just charge a bit more for the printers
and do away with the chips on the ink.
--
Ron P

The trouble with sitting on the fence is
getting pickets up the butt

Refilling can be done with no warnings. It will be need to reset
IP4200's EEPROM. Please read carefully the indications below. Do that
only if you know what are doing!!!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) With the printer power turned off, while pressing the Resume/Cancel
button, press and hold the Power button. (DO NOT release the buttons.
The Power LED lights in green to indicate that a function is
selectable.)
2) While holding the Power button, release the resume/Cancel button.
(DO NOT release the Power button.)
3) While holding the Power button, press the Resume/Cancel button 2
times, and then release boththe Power and Resume/Cancel buttons. (Each
time the Resume/Cancel button is pressed, the Alarm and Power LEDs
light alternately, Alarm in orange and Power in green, starting with
Alarm LED.)
4) When the Power LED lights in green, press the Resume/Cancel button
the specified number of time(s) setting).

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Time(s) LED indication Function Remarks times Green (Power) Power off
When the print head is not installed, the carriage returns and locks in
the home position capped.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 time Orange (Alarm) Service test print .
2 times Green (Power) EEPROM information print
3 times Orange (Alarm) EEPROM initialization
4 times Green (Power) Waste ink counter resetting
5 times Orange (Alarm) Destination settings After entering the
destination settings mode, press the Resume/Cancel button the specified
number of time(s) to select the destination. For detail, see
"Destination settings procedures" below.
6 times Green (Power) Print head deep cleaning (Cleaning of both black
and color)
7 times Orange (Alarm) Reserved
8 times Green (Power) CD / DVD check pattern
9 times Orange (Alarm) CD / DVD print position correction (horizontal:
X direction)
10 times Green (Power) CD / DVD print position correction (vertical: Y
direction)
11 to 13 times Orange, Green, Orange(Alarm, Power,Alarm) Return to the
menu selection
14 times Green (Power) Left margin correction Not usedin servicing.
15 times Orange (Alarm) Return to the menu selection

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Time(s) LED indication Destination CD / DVD print
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
0 times Green (Power) No change of the destination
1 time Orange (Alarm) Japan Supported
2 times Green (Power) Korea Not supported
3 times Orange (Alarm) US Not supported
4 times Green (Power) Europe Supported
5 times Orange (Alarm) Australia Supported
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
To turn off printer (getting out of service mode), push Resume/Cancel
button - 15 times Orange (Alarm) Return to the menu selection and the
Power Off button.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have still the original cartriges and I reffiled 5 times until now
and I don't have any problem. BTW, excepting the lack of reffiling, the
IP4200 is a great printer.

Hope to help this information.

shu wrote:
That certainly was useful info. Question though, by resetting the
machine's e-prom does it actually reset the the chips to reflect full?

I suspect it's a tradeoff... sacrafise the long term data your printer
collects such as waste ink count and total pages printed for lack of
warnings.

"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
I doubt this will reset the cartridge chips, it would surprise me if Canon had
overlooked this "loophole" if it does work I would be interested to hear back
from somone who has done so successfully.
Tony

I have saved your information and will read it over many times carefully
before doing anything.

Thank you.

"shu" <shu79ro (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Can somebody translate this for me? I'd like to turn off the low ink
warning when refilling the ink tanks in my iP4200. Thanks.

On 15 Aug 2006 23:50:04 -0700, "shu" <shu79ro (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: