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Frank Arthur
 
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Default Dilemma. My pictures are too good. - 05-20-2007 , 05:13 PM






Dilemma

My pictures are too good. I've got a digital camera that can shoot in rapid
sequence.
I'm using VR zoom lenses of high quality and autofocus instantly. I can now
compose
in the viewfinder, zoom to fill the frame and rip off 2,3, 10 images in
seconds. Hard
not to get a good well composed, well exposed, well framed image.
That's the dilemma. I finally got the "ultimate" technique down pat thanks
to the new
technologies.
I can't print that well cropped image because the proportions of the Digital
image is
2:3 but I can't readily print it without being forced to crop and lose part
of the
image because Photo Paper is proportioned 4:5.

Until recently because of the Camera/Lens limitations we tended to shoot and
include
much more of the subject knowing we would crop later. We had to because we
simply couldn't
compose accurately enough fast enough. Now that you can achieve in camera
cropping with
frequent success we are able to make use of all the pixels we see leading to
a better
sharper overall image. Now we need to make use of Photo Paper to match our
image media
which cries out for a 8 x 12 Photo Paper size. Epson or HP do not produce
Photo Paper
with 2:3 ratio yet (except for their 4x6 size).
This will happen when customers ask for it.
Believe it or not there are anti-8 x 12 Photo Paper posters out there too.



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slats1@usa.com
 
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Default Re: Dilemma. My pictures are too good. - 05-20-2007 , 05:48 PM






There are no rules,,,,,, Rules were made to be broken. You'll figure
out a way to print that full frame.

Good Luck,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Slats1



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Frank Arthur
 
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Default Re: Dilemma. My pictures are too good. - 05-20-2007 , 05:48 PM




"Rita Ä Berkowitz" <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote

Quote:
Frank Arthur wrote:

Dilemma

My pictures are too good. I've got a digital camera that can shoot in
rapid sequence.

Please tell me you aren't considering DX lenses "good" are you? If so,
you've got a lot to learn.

I learned that you are a troll.




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Roy G
 
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Default Re: Dilemma. My pictures are too good. - 05-20-2007 , 06:10 PM




"Frank Arthur" <Art (AT) Arthurian (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Dilemma

So what's new??

Paper sizes, apart from 6 x 4, have never matched up to Negative or Sensor
proportions.

Would you also suggest that paper be made available in proportions to match
all the different Med Format Film Cameras, and the 4 x 3 sensor format of P
& S Cameras.

In any case, I rarely find that images look their best in the 3 x 2 format,
it is just that little bit too long and thin. They nearly always require
some cropping.

Paper does cut quite easily, and if it is a really good picture, what the
hell if a bit of paper is wasted, by trimming, or if some is used as a nice
white margin.

When prints are going to be mounted onto standard 20 x 16 boards, in
Portrait Orientation, some trimming is essential if the bottom margin is
going to be equal or larger than the sides and top margins.

Are you also going to suggest that Exhibition Boards and Frames be changed
to the 3 x 2 format.

Roy G









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Gerald Place
 
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Default Re: Dilemma. My pictures are too good. - 05-21-2007 , 04:38 AM



Why not use a professional lab to do your printing photographically, then
the problem is solved.

Gerald

"Frank Arthur" <Art (AT) Arthurian (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Dilemma

My pictures are too good. I've got a digital camera that can shoot in
rapid sequence.
I'm using VR zoom lenses of high quality and autofocus instantly. I can
now compose
in the viewfinder, zoom to fill the frame and rip off 2,3, 10 images in
seconds. Hard
not to get a good well composed, well exposed, well framed image.
That's the dilemma. I finally got the "ultimate" technique down pat thanks
to the new
technologies.
I can't print that well cropped image because the proportions of the
Digital image is
2:3 but I can't readily print it without being forced to crop and lose
part of the
image because Photo Paper is proportioned 4:5.

Until recently because of the Camera/Lens limitations we tended to shoot
and include
much more of the subject knowing we would crop later. We had to because we
simply couldn't
compose accurately enough fast enough. Now that you can achieve in camera
cropping with
frequent success we are able to make use of all the pixels we see leading
to a better
sharper overall image. Now we need to make use of Photo Paper to match our
image media
which cries out for a 8 x 12 Photo Paper size. Epson or HP do not produce
Photo Paper
with 2:3 ratio yet (except for their 4x6 size).
This will happen when customers ask for it.
Believe it or not there are anti-8 x 12 Photo Paper posters out there too.





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Richard Polhill
 
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Default Re: Dilemma. My pictures are too good. - 05-21-2007 , 04:49 AM



Frank Arthur wrote:
Quote:
"Rita Ä Berkowitz" <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote in message
news:1351ia4s038vr93 (AT) news (DOT) supernews.com...
Frank Arthur wrote:

Dilemma

My pictures are too good. I've got a digital camera that can shoot in
rapid sequence.
Please tell me you aren't considering DX lenses "good" are you? If so,
you've got a lot to learn.
I learned that you are a troll.


And you are a prat.


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tomm42
 
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Default Re: Dilemma. My pictures are too good. - 05-21-2007 , 08:44 AM



On May 20, 6:13 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A... (AT) Arthurian (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
Dilemma

My pictures are too good. I've got a digital camera that can shoot in rapid
sequence.
I'm using VR zoom lenses of high quality and autofocus instantly. I can now
compose
in the viewfinder, zoom to fill the frame and rip off 2,3, 10 images in
seconds. Hard
not to get a good well composed, well exposed, well framed image.
That's the dilemma. I finally got the "ultimate" technique down pat thanks
to the new
technologies.
I can't print that well cropped image because the proportions of the Digital
image is
2:3 but I can't readily print it without being forced to crop and lose part
of the
image because Photo Paper is proportioned 4:5.

Until recently because of the Camera/Lens limitations we tended to shoot and
include
much more of the subject knowing we would crop later. We had to because we
simply couldn't
compose accurately enough fast enough. Now that you can achieve in camera
cropping with
frequent success we are able to make use of all the pixels we see leading to
a better
sharper overall image. Now we need to make use of Photo Paper to match our
image media
which cries out for a 8 x 12 Photo Paper size. Epson or HP do not produce
Photo Paper
with 2:3 ratio yet (except for their 4x6 size).
This will happen when customers ask for it.
Believe it or not there are anti-8 x 12 Photo Paper posters out there too.

Yes, if you print 8x10 you have to crop, just the way it is, but you
can print at approx 7.4x 10.5 on 8.5x11 paper and it will give you a
full frame, or use 11x17 paper for 8x12, yes a 10x14 sheet would be
better but for some reason inkjets are locked into traditional paper
printing sizes.
Rita is opinionated, but there is generally some truth in her(?)
posts.

Tom



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Alan Browne
 
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Default Re: Dilemma. My pictures are too good. - 05-21-2007 , 10:46 AM



Frank Arthur wrote:

Quote:
I can't print that well cropped image because the proportions of the
Digital
image is
2:3 but I can't readily print it without being forced to crop and
lose part
of the
image because Photo Paper is proportioned 4:5.
You're becoming very boring on this issue. Go to a lab. They will
print your photos on standard_ 8x12" paper.

Or for that matter pretty much any size you desire.

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Frank Arthur
 
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Default Re: Dilemma. My pictures are too good. - 05-21-2007 , 11:06 AM




"M-M" <nospam.m-m (AT) ny (DOT) more> wrote

Quote:
In article <4K34i.4636$Hk.2474 (AT) bignews8 (DOT) bellsouth.net>,
"Frank Arthur" <Art (AT) Arthurian (DOT) com> wrote:

I can't readily print it without being forced to crop and lose part
of the
image because Photo Paper is proportioned 4:5.


Sheesh. Crop the paper to 7x10.5

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m-m
And "sheesh" put it in a 7 x 10.5 frame? You find them everywhere:-




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Frank Arthur
 
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Default Re: Dilemma. My pictures are too good. - 05-21-2007 , 11:09 AM




"tomm42" <tmonego (AT) wildblue (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
On May 20, 6:13 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A... (AT) Arthurian (DOT) com> wrote:
Dilemma

My pictures are too good. I've got a digital camera that can shoot in
rapid
sequence.
I'm using VR zoom lenses of high quality and autofocus instantly. I can
now
compose
in the viewfinder, zoom to fill the frame and rip off 2,3, 10 images in
seconds. Hard
not to get a good well composed, well exposed, well framed image.
That's the dilemma. I finally got the "ultimate" technique down pat
thanks
to the new
technologies.
I can't print that well cropped image because the proportions of the
Digital
image is
2:3 but I can't readily print it without being forced to crop and lose
part
of the
image because Photo Paper is proportioned 4:5.

Until recently because of the Camera/Lens limitations we tended to shoot
and
include
much more of the subject knowing we would crop later. We had to because
we
simply couldn't
compose accurately enough fast enough. Now that you can achieve in camera
cropping with
frequent success we are able to make use of all the pixels we see leading
to
a better
sharper overall image. Now we need to make use of Photo Paper to match
our
image media
which cries out for a 8 x 12 Photo Paper size. Epson or HP do not produce
Photo Paper
with 2:3 ratio yet (except for their 4x6 size).
This will happen when customers ask for it.
Believe it or not there are anti-8 x 12 Photo Paper posters out there
too.


Yes, if you print 8x10 you have to crop, just the way it is, but you
can print at approx 7.4x 10.5 on 8.5x11 paper and it will give you a
full frame, or use 11x17 paper for 8x12, yes a 10x14 sheet would be
better but for some reason inkjets are locked into traditional paper
printing sizes.
Rita is opinionated, but there is generally some truth in her(?)
posts.
Sure she is? Anyone who writes DX lenses are poor quality is plain wrong in
many respects.
Quote:
Tom




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