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Re: Epson non-OEM ink nags: Research -
03-04-2007
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Frank wrote: pheeh.zero (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: You say the same thing every time...can't you just...give it a rest or say "ditto" or "told ya so"! There must be an ulterior motive for your posting...no one can be that redundant! (and I won't stoop to yelling!) He's not redundant, he retarded. Never trust anyone who refuses to use a real name. Meashershithead is not a real name. He is a seller and illegally uses this ng to promote and sell canon products. Pay no attention to his lies. He's also the biggest asshole loser to ever post in any ng. Frank Oh, I wouldn't go that far, Frank. |
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He's close, I'll give you that, but I know of at least two who prowl about the Linux newsgroups that are even bigger losers than he is. Hard to believe, huh? Loser trolls are everywhere on Usenet. I think every newsgroup has at least one. TJ TJ |
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So ... I don't know what's going on exactly. All I can say is that with a different batch of G&G cartridges purchased from a different supplier, the Epson SP1280 is back to normal behaviors. //rus\\ |
me before, like, it would work okay for a few on/off cycles and then revert
back to a head prime at each power on.
It's been many days since I changed the cartridges to ones from a different
"lot" number from a different supplier while still using the same brand--
namely G&G.
The SP1280 is now working as it should. If it's only been a day or two
since I last used it, I turn it on, it does a quick initialization, then
the head parks. It does not perform a head prime at power up.
On top of that, it no longer nags about non-OEM cartridges at each print
job. It only nags once right after the cartridges have been changed.
I'm going to have to say that it looks as though it's related to some sort
of different progamming in the G&G ink cartridge chip.
Why do I say that?
Because I've also got an Epson SP900 and it is presently using G&G
cartridges from the "other" batch. That's the batch that caused the SP1280
to prime the head at each power up. The SP900 has never had that "head
prime at power up" problem but I presume that's because it's just built
differently than the SP1280.
With cartridges from that "other" batch of G&G cartridges (the problem
ones), the SP900 still nags about non-OEM cartridges with the first print
job at each power up. In the past, it didn't do that. In the past it
would only nag once after the cartridges were changed.
So, I'm going to have to say that, at least in my situation, it's not Epson
drivers causing the problem. I think it's a variation (or a defect) in
chip programming for the cartridge.
I'm using the latest drivers downloaded from Epson so if anyone if
vulnerable based on that aspect of performance, I should certainly be
susceptible. However, different lot numbers from G&G are certainly
providing different behaviors.
So, now I have to wonder, is there always going to be trouble in the
future? Maybe the batch I have that is working properly is old stock?
Maybe all the new stuff is going to force my SP1280 to prime all the time?
I don't know.
Time will tell. You can bet I'll be back to report. In the meantime, I'll
check to see if anyone is reporting problems.
Thanks to that "nice person" who sent the Adjustment Programs to me. I
don't know if he wants to be named here. He knows who he is. Without
those programs, I'd have never been able to figure this one out.
Looks like the SP1280 Adjustment program will definitely come in handy soon
when I have to change or clean the waste pads. During all the trial and
error testing I did with the SP1280, it did a lot of useless priming.
According to the program's report, my waste pads are 2/3 full! Dagnabbit!
I'll use that program to reset the waste counter.
//rus\\
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Meander Holefield <meander (AT) the (DOT) net> wrote in news:Xns98E74FAA4E022903kjalkg834k32jmkas (AT) 63 (DOT) 218.45.254: So ... I don't know what's going on exactly. All I can say is that with a different batch of G&G cartridges purchased from a different supplier, the Epson SP1280 is back to normal behaviors. //rus\\ Had to come back to report several days later because the SP1280 had fooled me before, like, it would work okay for a few on/off cycles and then revert back to a head prime at each power on. It's been many days since I changed the cartridges to ones from a different "lot" number from a different supplier while still using the same brand-- namely G&G. The SP1280 is now working as it should. If it's only been a day or two since I last used it, I turn it on, it does a quick initialization, then the head parks. It does not perform a head prime at power up. On top of that, it no longer nags about non-OEM cartridges at each print job. It only nags once right after the cartridges have been changed. I'm going to have to say that it looks as though it's related to some sort of different progamming in the G&G ink cartridge chip. Why do I say that? Because I've also got an Epson SP900 and it is presently using G&G cartridges from the "other" batch. That's the batch that caused the SP1280 to prime the head at each power up. The SP900 has never had that "head prime at power up" problem but I presume that's because it's just built differently than the SP1280. With cartridges from that "other" batch of G&G cartridges (the problem ones), the SP900 still nags about non-OEM cartridges with the first print job at each power up. In the past, it didn't do that. In the past it would only nag once after the cartridges were changed. So, I'm going to have to say that, at least in my situation, it's not Epson drivers causing the problem. I think it's a variation (or a defect) in chip programming for the cartridge. I'm using the latest drivers downloaded from Epson so if anyone if vulnerable based on that aspect of performance, I should certainly be susceptible. However, different lot numbers from G&G are certainly providing different behaviors. So, now I have to wonder, is there always going to be trouble in the future? Maybe the batch I have that is working properly is old stock? Maybe all the new stuff is going to force my SP1280 to prime all the time? I don't know. Time will tell. You can bet I'll be back to report. In the meantime, I'll check to see if anyone is reporting problems. Thanks to that "nice person" who sent the Adjustment Programs to me. I don't know if he wants to be named here. He knows who he is. Without those programs, I'd have never been able to figure this one out. Looks like the SP1280 Adjustment program will definitely come in handy soon when I have to change or clean the waste pads. During all the trial and error testing I did with the SP1280, it did a lot of useless priming. According to the program's report, my waste pads are 2/3 full! Dagnabbit! I'll use that program to reset the waste counter. //rus\\ |
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Epson printers have an EEPROM which has the function of being aware and recording how much time the printer is "off" and when the last cleaning cycle occurred. It is possible that the 3rd party ink cartridges have the ability to influence this chip in some manner. Or, perhaps you just were using the printer more often, so the number of cleaning cycles was being reduced relative to the time delay between starts and cleaning cycles. Art |
cartridge from the "bad" batch. Sure enough. It went back to its bad
behavior of priming the head each time I turned the printer on and it threw
up the software nag about non-OEM at the first print job right after it was
turned on.
So, I removed the chip from the G&G cartridge that was working properly (the
one that had just gone empty) and installed that chip on the presently
installed cartridge after resetting its ink level.
With the "good" chip installed, it's working again as it should--no head
prime at power up and it only nags about non-OEM at the first print job after
cartridge installation. I can leave it off for more than 10 seconds and then
turn it on and it won't force a prime and it won't nag about non-OEM. It
just goes through the quick head park routine and then it waits for a print
job.
So ... all I know is ... the chip certainly makes a difference. Luckily, the
chips are easily transferred so I can put the good chips on the bad batch of
G&G's.
I guess I'll keep a couple of jars handy to begin collecting "good" chips.
//rus\\
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp (AT) mvps (DOT) org> wrote in news H8Mh.47037$DN.45500@pd7urf2no: Epson printers have an EEPROM which has the function of being aware and recording how much time the printer is "off" and when the last cleaning cycle occurred. It is possible that the 3rd party ink cartridges have the ability to influence this chip in some manner. Or, perhaps you just were using the printer more often, so the number of cleaning cycles was being reduced relative to the time delay between starts and cleaning cycles. Art Ink ran out of the cartridge that was working properly so I installed a G&G cartridge from the "bad" batch. Sure enough. It went back to its bad behavior of priming the head each time I turned the printer on and it threw up the software nag about non-OEM at the first print job right after it was turned on. So, I removed the chip from the G&G cartridge that was working properly (the one that had just gone empty) and installed that chip on the presently installed cartridge after resetting its ink level. With the "good" chip installed, it's working again as it should--no head prime at power up and it only nags about non-OEM at the first print job after cartridge installation. I can leave it off for more than 10 seconds and then turn it on and it won't force a prime and it won't nag about non-OEM. It just goes through the quick head park routine and then it waits for a print job. So ... all I know is ... the chip certainly makes a difference. Luckily, the chips are easily transferred so I can put the good chips on the bad batch of G&G's. I guess I'll keep a couple of jars handy to begin collecting "good" chips. //rus\\ |
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp (AT) mvps (DOT) org> wrote in newsH8Mh.47037$DN.45500 @pd7urf2no: Epson printers have an EEPROM which has the function of being aware and recording how much time the printer is "off" and when the last cleaning cycle occurred. It is possible that the 3rd party ink cartridges have the ability to influence this chip in some manner. Or, perhaps you just were using the printer more often, so the number of cleaning cycles was being reduced relative to the time delay between starts and cleaning cycles. Art Ink ran out of the cartridge that was working properly so I installed a G&G cartridge from the "bad" batch. Sure enough. Oh Yeah |
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It went back to its bad behavior of priming the head each time I turned the printer on and it threw up the software nag about non-OEM at the first print job right after it was turned on. So, I removed the chip from the G&G cartridge that was working properly (the one that had just gone empty) and installed that chip on the presently installed cartridge after resetting its ink level. |
Users who use Factory carts with factory ink do not have these problems.
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp (AT) mvps (DOT) org> wrote in newsH8Mh.47037$DN.45500 @pd7urf2no: Epson printers have an EEPROM which has the function of being aware and recording how much time the printer is "off" and when the last cleaning cycle occurred. It is possible that the 3rd party ink cartridges have the ability to influence this chip in some manner. Or, perhaps you just were using the printer more often, so the number of cleaning cycles was being reduced relative to the time delay between starts and cleaning cycles. Art Ink ran out of the cartridge that was working properly so I installed a G&G cartridge from the "bad" batch. Sure enough. It went back to its bad behavior of priming the head each time I turned the printer on and it threw up the software nag about non-OEM at the first print job right after it was turned on. So, I removed the chip from the G&G cartridge that was working properly (the one that had just gone empty) and installed that chip on the presently installed cartridge after resetting its ink level. With the "good" chip installed, it's working again as it should--no head prime at power up and it only nags about non-OEM at the first print job after cartridge installation. I can leave it off for more than 10 seconds and then turn it on and it won't force a prime and it won't nag about non-OEM. It just goes through the quick head park routine and then it waits for a print job. So ... all I know is ... the chip certainly makes a difference. Luckily, the chips are easily transferred so I can put the good chips on the bad batch of G&G's. I guess I'll keep a couple of jars handy to begin collecting "good" chips. //rus\\ |
be useful in due course.
Well done.
Tony
MS MVP Printing/Imaging
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