TJ wrote:
You can get most of the Photoshop standard features in Photoshop
Elements for about $80.00. Or you can get more photo enhanced features
with Photoshop Light Room for $199.00. It is not mandatory to get CS.
In stead of doing that you can get to the same place by using adjustment
layers. Then you save it in psd format. So in addition to getting back
to the beginning with the jpg file you can use the psd file to turn off
and on various adjustment layers.

measekite wrote:
I have it on good authority that Photoshop Elements, at least the
version I looked into years ago, doesn't work with layers. So if you
went that route you'd still want to save the originals. The GIMP (Gnu
Image Manipulation Program), which is free for Windows, Mac OSX, and
Linux, will work in layers and will do all you just described, except
that it saves in its native xcf format. Jpeg formats won't save in
layers; they must be "flat." The GIMP will convert to most of the
"standard" formats, but they won't contain the layers as layers. The
GIMP isn't as powerful as Photoshop, but it's closer than anything else
in the consumer market, including Photoshop Elements. The interface does
have a steeper learning curve than PS or PE, but if you're looking for
power without the price, it's well worth it.

It's never a bad idea to save a backup copy of the original of any photo
you think is worth keeping, whatever software you use on it.

TJ

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TJ wrote:
Do you also use a horse and plow.

"TJ" <TJ (AT) invalid (DOT) invalid> wrote

a reasonably priced photo editing program that costs less than $100 and has
more features than I presently use after three years of extensive editing
with it. At its easiest level it still surpasses most of the other programs
in its price range, and there are so many features that you learn as you use
it to expand your editing abilities.

One issue that the original poster was concerned with was clogging.
Unfortunately, all inkjet printers can clog when they are permitted to sit
idle. They all have cleaning cycles, both automatic and user controlled, as
the manufacturers realize that, even with use of their own inks, clogging
can occur. Epson printheads are built in and are not user-removable for
more intensive cleaning. We do have a participant, Arthur Entlich, who has
written up techniques for more extensive cleaning of Epson printheads, if
needed, that will clean most clogged printheads in Epsons. Canon printers
(except for one new model with printheads integrated into the ink
cartridges) have removable printheads that can be cleaned after removal from
the printer and can be replaced (sometimes at nearly the cost of the
original printer). Most HP inkjet printers have printheads integrated into
the ink cartridges. If one clogs you simply put in a new cartridge. They
are a bit pricey, but this feature eliminates the concern about a clogged
printhead ruining your printer. Bottom line - an inkjet printer is not
great for people who will let it sit idle for weeks or months at a time or
who print monocolor without somewhat frequently using ink from all the
cartridges. Clogging is almost guaranteed.

"TJ" <TJ (AT) invalid (DOT) invalid> wrote

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When saving an edited image in which layers have been used you can chose to
save it in the photoshop image format (psd which is non-losey) with the
separate layers intact. You can then reopen it and still have the ability
to manage the layers you had originally created. The image layers can also
be flattened and saved as a psd, jpg, or several other formats. Entire
groups of images can be converted to the psd format prior to editing if one
wishes. You do need lots of memory to work with these files and multiple
layers.

My cameras save in tiff (non-losey) file format for highest quality and
various levels of compressed jpg formats if less quality images are adequate
for a desired print result. The highest quality jpg file from the cameras
creates sharp, full detailed prints up to 20x30. You are right that
multiple saves in jpg format will degrade images, and you are better off
working in a non-losey format if you need the highest print quality your
equipment will produce.

My preference, within a reasonable price range and with a reasonable
learning curve to get up and running, is to use software that is suitable
for my needs but also has additional strengths I can learn to use when
necessary. PSE has been that kind of software for me. I learn new tricks
to improve my editing ability evey time I use the program. I don't want
dumbed-down software that has very limited capabilities. For the most part,
software that comes with cameras or printers has very limited capabilities.
They are great for people who want to, as easily as possible, get an image
from the camera to paper. I am not putting down the people who lack either
the interest or ability to progress further with more complex software -
whatever works and pleases them is the right way to go. I just want
equipment and software I can grow into.

Burt wrote:
program like Picasa is a good place to start for the novice who doesn't
know if photo-editing is for him. It's easier to decide to dip that toe
in the water with a free, if limited, program, and move up if you like
the results than it is to start with one that costs even as little as $80.

I also think most people, once they see what a little minor editing can
do for their photos, will be likely to print their own more often. That,
of course, will result in fewer clogs - and more complaints about the
cost of ink.

TJ

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Burt wrote:
owned a digital camera. The only photos I was editing at the time were
those I scanned from commercial prints. Much of the work had been done
by the processor, with cropping being the main thing I would do. That
can be done successfully with almost anything. PE was much more than I
needed or wanted at the time, and Photoshop itself was out of the question.

The GIMP was included with the first Linux distribution I tried -
Mandrake 8.2 - five years ago. I started playing with it because it was
here, and I'd heard many good things about it. Some of those things, at
the time, were exaggerations, but each succeeding version has been more
capable than the last, and many of those exaggerations aren't
exaggerations any longer. It was difficult at first, as worthwhile
things often are, but once I began to master the basics things became
easier. Now, I still learn something new about the program and the
things it's capable of almost every time I use it.

To each his own, eh?

TJ

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TJ wrote:
My God (if there is one and some believe that man created God in his own
image) (others believe the opposite) NoOne has proof. this is a repeat
of what I said. But he has an ego.
I have permitted my Canon IP4000 to sit idle for about a month and it
did not clog. Never even did a head cleaning. Only those who have the
same printer and use Canon ink have ever made that claim.
leaked and ruined his printer. The all say that it takes time and is messy.

TJ wrote:
He likes to repeat what I have said previously but the congregation want
to here is from the pastor
Goodie Goodie My camera saves in both RAW, the highest quality not TIFF
and JPG at the same time
If you have a Canon 5D. That size requires a full frame digital to
attain the HIGHEST quality in that size. Besides he can't print that
size since his printer with his generic ink can only print 8.5x11. Even
the wide format standard printers cannot print that size.
GEEES I am glad he agrees with my previous posts.
That depends on the camera