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Default Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper - 05-19-2007 , 12:15 PM






Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?



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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper - 05-19-2007 , 12:33 PM







"Frank Arthur" <Art (AT) Arthurian (DOT) com> wrote

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Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?
Good question, something I've wondered myself.

Greg




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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper - 05-19-2007 , 12:37 PM



Frank Arthur wrote:
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Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?

Becasue they're idiots.

In effect the photo imaging industry are idiots.

They've passed up a huge opportunity to adopt sensors that are
proportioned per the ISO 216 "A" system. 1:SQRT(2) = SQRT(2):2 .

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html

The relationship of these paper sizes is akin to aperture stops which is
ironic.

Cheers,
Alan.

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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper - 05-19-2007 , 01:29 PM



On Sat, 19 May 2007 13:15:10 -0400, Frank Arthur wrote:

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Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?
So they can't be easily and inexpensively cut down to 4" x 6"?



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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper - 05-19-2007 , 02:15 PM



Frank Arthur wrote:
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Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?
Paper has traditionally been made at the factory (not photo paper, but
all types of paper) certain widths on very wide rolls. The machinery is
very large, very expensive and last a very long time. All kinds of
industries use paper including newspapers, paper towels, photography,
packaging, construction etc. All these industries have their own machines
designed for certain size paper. Many years of history have determined the
standards. They don't always make sense in today's world, but changing one
size can mean many other sizes and uses would be affected.

The fun part of all this is on the other side of the pond, all those
sizes are different from in the US. If we really wanted to make a change,
we should really look to change to the standards the rest of the world is
using and progress that direction in a planed orderly manner.

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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper - 05-19-2007 , 03:02 PM





"Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAMjoe (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

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Frank Arthur wrote:
Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?

Paper has traditionally been made at the factory (not photo paper, but
all types of paper) certain widths on very wide rolls. The machinery is
very large, very expensive and last a very long time. All kinds of
industries use paper including newspapers, paper towels, photography,
packaging, construction etc. All these industries have their own machines
designed for certain size paper. Many years of history have determined
the standards. They don't always make sense in today's world, but
changing one size can mean many other sizes and uses would be affected.

The fun part of all this is on the other side of the pond, all those
sizes are different from in the US. If we really wanted to make a change,
we should really look to change to the standards the rest of the world is
using and progress that direction in a planed orderly manner.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit
Photo Paper is available in 8 x 10 inch sizes indicating the 8 inch width is
standard.
So are rolls of paper 8 inches wide. Cutting & packing 8 x 12 would be
relatively easy
if customers demanded it.




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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper - 05-19-2007 , 07:06 PM



"Frank Arthur" <Art (AT) Arthurian (DOT) com> wrote

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Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?

Probably because 8x12 isn't a standard size in the US - picture frames are
commonly available as 8x10. Try to find a 1 hour photo printer that will do
an 8x12. I agree, 8x12 would be a great option (at least for landscape
orientation) but 8x10 has been a standard photo size for a very long time.

Mark




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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper - 05-20-2007 , 01:34 AM



On 2007-05-19 10:15:10 -0700, "Frank Arthur" <Art (AT) Arthurian (DOT) com> said:

Quote:
Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?
For the same reason hot dogs come 10 to a package and buns come 8 or 12
to a pack.
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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper - 05-20-2007 , 02:17 AM



Probably because the whole inkjet industry came from the business
machines industry and started by distributing printers that print on
standard business page paper.

Also, the early printer were unable to print without fairly large uneven
boarders, and the printers still need to print letter size anyway, for
letter printing.

Lastly, being from the business side of things, the companies that were
hired to make the papers probably mainly produced business dimensional
paper and so already have the the large paper rolls and the slitting
machines set up for those sizes.

Art

Frank Arthur wrote:

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Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?



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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper - 05-20-2007 , 03:17 AM



The rolls aren't 8" wide. They are more likely 51-52 inches wide or
more. European width of A4 is about 8.25" wide, US letter is 8.5.

But if you just have to have 8" x 12" paper consider this (and other
websites). I just put: 8" x 12" paper into Google.

http://www.richardfrankfurt.co.uk/in...p?productID=36


Art


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Frank Arthur wrote:

Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?

Paper has traditionally been made at the factory (not photo paper, but
all types of paper) certain widths on very wide rolls. The machinery is
very large, very expensive and last a very long time. All kinds of
industries use paper including newspapers, paper towels, photography,
packaging, construction etc. All these industries have their own machines
designed for certain size paper. Many years of history have determined
the standards. They don't always make sense in today's world, but
changing one size can mean many other sizes and uses would be affected.

The fun part of all this is on the other side of the pond, all those
sizes are different from in the US. If we really wanted to make a change,
we should really look to change to the standards the rest of the world is
using and progress that direction in a planed orderly manner.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit


Photo Paper is available in 8 x 10 inch sizes indicating the 8 inch width is
standard.
So are rolls of paper 8 inches wide. Cutting & packing 8 x 12 would be
relatively easy
if customers demanded it.



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